Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On May 24, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > Steve I understand your comment regarding visualizing the scene as > suitable > for BW or colour. (not that I can do it well at all). But shooting > Raw, what > purpose is served by two cameras? only for well heeled consumers...one is for color, one is black and white as I said, you can use one, then switch back and forth... > If you look at the scene and can think, oh > the tones or content work best for one or the other, you make the > exposure > as you want and then process accordingly at the end. you need to make the decision when you take the photo...that makes the photo different, and if you are like many...later on you may not remember... > Some stuff naturally > will work as either, some less so. No advantage at all by capturing > as a jpg > BW except for file size and you limit your processing/exposure > choices after > the fact. a big advantage, and you just gave us the reason Geoff...remember, that's the way we used to take pictures... you see the image and you actually create the photo, really, right at the moment of creation...a novel idea? not really ! > Unless you don't want to deal with processing Raw, but that's not at all the reason, if I could shoot RAW/bw I would, for many images. Steve > for whatever > reason, I guess. > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Leica] color vs bw images... > > > On May 24, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Tina Manley wrote: > >> At 05:57 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote: >>> perhaps, if all this holds truth, this may be causing you to be less >>> convinced of your end goals, the resulting images being less >>> convincing as well... >>> >>> >>> Steve >> >> Steve - Thanks for your comments. For me, it's probably more of a >> digital vs film thing. Back when I used film, one camera had color >> film and one had B&W and I was always aware of the difference. I >> also almost always preferred B&W. At that time, the end purpose of >> the photos was to convince people to give money or support to the >> agencies I was working with. B&W was more convincing. Now with >> digital, everything starts out as color so I have a choice once I >> download the photos and start to process them. I still like B&W but >> the end purpose of the photos has also changed. Now I'm leasing >> photos through several agencies. I have never had a request for a >> B&W stock photo. All of the publishers want color. If they decide >> to use B&W, they want to convert it themselves. They want the >> choice, too. >> >> In the case of Guatemala and India, the colors in both countries are >> so overwhelming that it's hard for me to see in B&W. Occasionally >> there is a color photo that works as well or better in B&W, like the >> one Philippe pointed out earlier. Honduras, on the other hand, has >> always seemed B&W. That's just the way I see them. I'll be going >> back to Honduras in July so I guess I'll see if it's still B&W with >> my M8;-) >> >> I don't think I would ever go back to film so I guess my challenge >> now is to make my digital photos as convincing as my film ones used >> to be. (That's kind of what I'll be speaking on in NY, comparing >> the film photos I used to take with my M6's and 7's with the digital >> M8 ones that I take now.) Any suggestions on how to do that would >> be greatly appreciated!! > > Talking about it to a large group of people will happily be your > problem Tina, and maybe not an easy one... > > I'm just an amateur, so please forgive me, and please bear with me. I > go through the same issues, it's torture, you are right...before it > was easy: you selected the film for your camera, you selected the > camera, and you selected the images. If it's simply a digital vs film > thing Tina, I suggest it can be avoided...otherwise it's a bit like > the tail wagging the dog. > > RAW is best, no doubt, but having everything in color to decide after > the fact, is not the way we see and photograph, and it's not the way > you used to take photos on film... > > Carry two M8's (or one, and be flexible) RAW/jpeg fine bw (if need > be)... > > think like you used to.. pick the shot/decide color vs bw (though you > usually know that at the same instant), commit, take the shot, stick > to it... > > try it... > > > (it's either that or if you only sell color then shoot RAW, don't > convert, never look back...) > > > Steve > > >> >> >> Tina >> >> Tina Manley >> www.tinamanley.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information