Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/11/27

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Subject: [Leica] Leica D lens 4/3rds question.
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue Nov 27 08:41:02 2007
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On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Philippe Amard wrote:

> Steve, Len, Geoff
> HELP!
> See my later answer to Len on his experiment.
> This crop and dump thing really puzzles me, and interests me much,  
> for I have never been able to understand the crop factor issue or  
> principles; how could reducing the angle result in  a "larger" image  
> is  the key to it I guess.


while I'm trained as a scientist, for me to follow some of these  
experiments...

no way...

too many variables...

screw it I say...

take some pictures and look at them...


Steve


>
> Phil...x
>
>
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed Geoff,
>>> 4/3s are full frame four-thirds, aren't they, so long as you use  
>>> the  lenses that go with them.
>>> Else, 35mm are also part-frames compared to 6 x 6 (120) or larger   
>>> formats.
>>> It's semantics ok, but isn't everything a question of point of view?
>>
>>
>> wow, these French are always so damn logical...
>>
>> really blows my mind.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> and see my separate post svp,
>>
>>
>> could not agree more !
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More primes: I agree with this to the full.
>>> Have a nice day
>>> Phil...x
>>>
>>>
>>> G Hopkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> The smallest DSLR body is the Olympus 410 (four thirds) Just  
>>>> like  its ancestors the OMs, its making people and other  
>>>> manufacturers
>>>> sit up and take notice. Its marginally bigger brother, the 510  
>>>> adds  image stabilisation, more live view functionality (I  
>>>> think), WB
>>>> bracketing and other nice features. That one is only marginally   
>>>> larger than the D40X which is sans stabilisation. Four thirds is  
>>>> not
>>>> directly comparable to a "half frame" since the new ones are  
>>>> 10MP  like the APSC designs, even though the sensor area is  
>>>> smaller, of
>>>> course. A film half frame had half the resolution of its full  
>>>> frame  equivalent since they had less "film grains" to aim the  
>>>> light
>>>> at! 432 sq mm of emulsion vs  864 sq mm nominally.  I agree most  
>>>> of  the zooms have a largish form factor, owing partly to the
>>>> designs to improve light angles arriving at the sensor. They are   
>>>> zooms of course and some have IS built in. Primes, we need more
>>>> compact fast primes!
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica D lens 4/3rds question.
>>>>
>>>> In film terms the camera format is half half frame.
>>>> They've got to scale down the camera to to get my attention.
>>>> There are nice digital half frames out here (APS-2 or DX) which  
>>>> are  half the
>>>> size of these bloated 4/3's babies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> markrabiner.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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