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Subject: [Leica] 21mm Lens Questions
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov)
Date: Tue Sep 25 14:13:02 2007
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I think the new f4.5 is somewhere around 190 grams.
A very light load on a IIIa.
I'm sticking with newer formulas after my disastrous results with the  
2.8cm Hektor.
s.


On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Don Dory wrote:

> Slobodan
> Why don't you have a talk with our friend at CameraQuest.  I bet that
> Cosina could be convinced to make a faster 21 in LTM.  Or, I have
> heard very good things about the original 21 Biogon converted to LTM.
> Marc has one, possibly he could send you a print.  Cost would be in
> the $1200 range if you didn't mind a permanent conversion to LTM.
>
> On 9/25/07, slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@charter.net> wrote:
>> That 2.8cm f8 is a Zeiss Tessar, by the way.
>> I personally wouldn't use it.
>> I threw in the towel with the 2.8cm Hektor.
>> Not my shooting style.
>>
>> Now if the Biogon f4.5 came in LTM mount, I'd find a way to get one
>> next week.
>>
>> s.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> S.D.
>>>
>>> Clayton already let the PIG out of the bag. Next, you'll be doing
>>> the same think concerning cheap lenses. How can we make great
>>> "Smith-like images using substandard glass. Besides, Leica is
>>> already on its last leg and needs our contributions.
>>>
>>> W.J.
>>>
>>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>>> Gene Smith shot with a 28mm F8 (that Schweitzer stuff) with the
>>>> emulsions of his day.
>>>> It didn't hurt him image wise.
>>>> I use the Skopar only because of being able to use it on a IIIa.
>>>> Though, I have to admit that I'm awfully tempted to get a Biogon.
>>>> Maybe with the next big job...!
>>>>
>>>> s.d.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Don Dory wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>> I will echo Henning's comments.  The Biogon is a very sharp, well
>>>>> built lens.  So, if you can live shooting at 4.5 then that is the
>>>>> lens
>>>>> to get.  If you need 2.8 then I would hunt around for used 21 ASPH
>>>>> lenses.  The Zeiss 21 2.8 is very good out 1/2 way but resolution
>>>>> falls off in the outer fields wide open.  By 4.5 it is good all  
>>>>> the
>>>>> way but then why not get the Biogon?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/07, red735i@earthlink.net <red735i@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a want for a 21mm lens.  the Leica made Elmarits ( ASPH,
>>>>>> or Non ASPH) are too expensive for me.  Ditto the Super Angulons
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 21mm finder already ( from my 16 year old Contax RF  
>>>>>> days).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am asking about these 3 lenses......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 21/4.5 ZM Zeiss Biogon
>>>>>> 21/2.8 ZM Zeiss Biogon
>>>>>> 21mm Color Skopar.  P ( M Mount )  or Non-P, LTM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in relative optical quality, and to a lesser
>>>>>> extent, mechanical build quality and smoothness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those with any relative experience to the Leica lenses,
>>>>>> please comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note.. I have read Erwin's review on the 21/2.8.... he says good
>>>>>> things.  But by comparison to the 4.5 ????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
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>
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