Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/08/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Steve, This is a good advice, of course, but I should buy too a good 28 to have a good 35, I only use the 28 sometimes on my Tri-Elmar, and this lens is not between my favouriites for it's limitation to F4 and his size, on the other hand maybe on the M8 a F4 is not a "big problem" it performs quite well at 640 ISO, taht's equivalent to a f 1,8, not bad. Saludos cordiales Luis -----Mensaje original----- De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de Steve Barbour Enviado el: viernes, 31 de agosto de 2007 5:26 Para: Leica Users Group Asunto: Re: [Leica] Re: M8 problems > -------------- Original message from "Luis Ripoll" > <luisripoll@telefonica.net>: -------------- > > >> Hi Peter, >> >> I've found really interesting your arguments, but beside all the >> mentionned points, for me it remain one point, the format. I want to >> use my lenses on the original focal lenght. I hope, and I think that >> Leica will made a 1:1 format in the future. Luis...suggest, buy it now... and use a 35... pretend it's a 50... Steve >> >> >> Saludos cordiales >> Luis >> >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org >> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En >> nombre de Peter Klein Enviado el: jueves, 30 de agosto de 2007 20:04 >> Para: lug@leica-users.org >> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Re: M8 problems >> >> >> Larry: >> >> Sounds like you really have two issues: >> >> - Do I need digital at all? >> - Do I need (or want) an M8? >> >> Digital is convenient. Digital has less dynamic range than negative >> film, but ISO for ISO, it's cleaner than most film. You don't buy >> film and processing, you buy a camera. >> >> I'm with Tina and George and Sonny--my M8 gives me the best image >> quality I've seen from a 35mm-size camera. >> >> No doubt about it, the M8 also has quirks and hidden costs that >> derive from those quirks. We have the IR filter/cyan drift issues and >> the need for coding of 35mm and wider lenses. There have been >> reliability issues with some cameras, particularly early models. Most >> of the really bad problems seem to have been fixed. >> >> But every so often, somebody's M8 fails, and we hear about it >> quickly. The Internet amplifies the problems, and it seems like every >> M8 is a piece of crap. I liken it to watching your local television >> news. It seems like there is a child molester on every block, and a >> terrorist behind every tree. >> But is that really the case? >> >> We can scream from today till next Tuesday about how Leica shoulda >> done this and oughta done that, how could they not know about the IR >> issue, and how dare a $5000 camera not be perfect? But the fact is >> that Leica is a small company, and it's trying to compete with very >> deep pockets from Japan, Inc. >> And the problems of very fast lenses and close-to-the-sensor RF >> lenses mean Leica has more to deal with than the DSLR makers. >> >> The real question is "what do I get for my five grand, and is it >> worth it to *me*? And if the thing dies, can I live with the delays >> while it's fixed. >> >> My pet peeve is that they should give us a lens selection menu. >> And I am >> annoyed about the focus shift issues--they are not as bad as some >> people make them, but they are real. >> >> I knew about all the issues except focus shift, and I still bought >> the camera. I waited 6 months until it looked like the major teething >> pains had been fixed. I'm not rich, I still can't believe how much >> the damn thing cost, and I am still very happy I bought it. >> >> No one can guarantee that you will get a perfect,trouble-free M8. >> But it is >> telling that most of the people here who have M8s love them, and even >> those who have had failures want them back so they can shoot with >> them. >> I've been lucky so far, no major problems. I'm still fine-tuning my >> shooting to find the sweet spot between blown highlights and too much >> shadow noise. My own feelings are about 5% occasional buyer's remorse >> and 95% "I LOVE this camera." >> >> Only you can decide if you want an M8. The way you're talking, film >> works for you, you don't need the immediacy of digital most of the >> time. If that's the case, why switch? OTOH, if you are interested in >> exploring digital while maintaining the same control layout and >> general shooting style as you did with Ms and manual SLRs, then the >> M8 is worthy of consideration. >> If the M8 is not your cup of tea but you want a good, affordable >> high-quality digital, consider the Pentax K10D or the Olympus E-510, >> both very worthy shooter's cameras. >> >> But if you love RF shooting and the way Leica lenses draw images, the >> M8 is the only digital game in town. It takes some work and >> adjustment to get the highest quality of which the M8 is capable. But >> it can be done, and when you get it, it is incredible. You can argue >> that Brand C gives cleaner high ISO images, but not at the level of >> detail the M8 gives. >> >> I'm shooting more with my M8 than I ever did with film. I have >> touched my >> E-1 and my film Ms each exactly once since I got the M8 5 months >> ago--the >> E-1 for a macro shot and the film M for a classical concert. That >> ought to tell you something. >> >> Reverse peer pressure: Regardless of what you decide, you and your >> photos are always welcome around here! >> >> --Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information