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Subject: [Leica] Neopan-Xtol Xpert-Tease Sought
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed Feb 28 22:24:07 2007
References: <3621CC03-8B0A-4F7D-AA7D-FD3D17D0C878@depaul.edu>

Bob,
Both of those shots look very good on my screen.   I expose Neopan 1600 at 
1200 and develop it in T-Max Developer for 4 minutes at 22 degrees 
centrigrade, which is what Fuji recommends, except for 1600 instead of 1200, 
which gives better shadow tones.  T-Max developer is utterly reliable and 
gives a very good tonal range and the best film speed you can get consistent 
with a long tonal range.  I have found Xtol to be the opposite of reliable 
(as have many if not most other users); it fails completely unexpectedly, 
when it is fresh and you have done everything scrupulously right.   I 
stopped using it some years ago because I couldn't put up with the heart 
ache of losing whole rolls of valuable exposures.
Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob palmieri" <rpalmier@depaul.edu>
To: <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: [Leica] Neopan-Xtol Xpert-Tease Sought


> Folks -
>
> I seem to recall that some Luminary Lug-gers have worked out the  details 
> of Neopan 1600 in Xtol 1:3.
>
> I shot 2 rolls at 1600 and sent it to my Usual Guy who did the Xtol  thing 
> at 1:3, although I didn't get his time/temp specs.  They both  looked 
> pretty thin, but otherwise very impressive in terms of grain  structure. 
> So. I'm wondering:
>
> Should I try 800 ISO next round and have him do whatever he did  (seeing 
> as how the web and the mags are full of folks who claim that  this stuff 
> really ain't anywhere near 1600), or
>
> Should I try 1600 again and specify some percentage of increase in 
> development time (if so how much, d'ya think, without being able to  see 
> the negs)?
>
> For what it's worth, here's a shot from each of the rolls (after I  beat 
> on them a bit with levels & curves in Photoshop)- the first is  from my 
> new(!!??!) Nikon F (??!!?) with a 50 1.4 cropped close to the  field of an 
> 85:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bobsworld/image/74860346
>
> And this one, shot with my CL and 35 4th gen 'cron:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bobsworld/image/74896881
>
> Or I s'ppose I could shoot another coupla rolls and try both...  I  gotta 
> say, under the 30X mag the grain structure looked more  appealing to me 
> than anything I've ever shot above 400.
>
> Bob Palmieri
>
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