Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/20

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Another Comparison
From: montoid at earthlink.net (Montie)
Date: Wed Dec 20 09:10:02 2006
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"Put Windex"
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> When I first read Brian's comment about an IR problem I thought no  
> way. Then the more I thought about it the more I thought it might be  
> possible. Now I don't know anything about photo sensors or amplifiers  
> in the visible light range, but I do know about RF amplifiers,  
> detectors  and amplifiers in general. Since the M8 sensor is allowing  
> a much greater frequency bandwidth from Uv to IR, the power to the  
> amplifier increases and creates an increase in distortion and makes  
> the amplifier much easier to overload. In order to avoid overload the  
> signal to the amplifier is reduced by gain reducing the circuit. The  
> amount of gain reduction (AGC) is controlled in the design of the  
> amplifier The design curve of this AGC system can be developed in the  
> lab on a test bench by duplicating the actual operating conditions of  
> the total system. However this is under ideal conditions using test  
> generators of the input spectrum of concern, visible light. However  
> if the incoming spectrum in the finished product is greater than what  
> the design model was set up for, you can go into an overload  
> condition. However it is not that easy to develop a perfect AGC  
> system.  If you gain reduce the system too much, you introduce noise.  
> That may be what the increased noise is from in the higher ISO  
> ranges. The system may be in an over AGC'ed mode and still not fully  
> getting out of overload. The amount of AGC is also probably  
> controlled by the ISO setting. Dropping the ISO and then decreasing  
> the exposure would certainly reduce noise, but also increase the  
> likelyhood of overload.
> 
> Please forgive my ramblings. I'm still thinking like an engineer. It  
> makes sense to me, though.
> 
> Len
> 
> 
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Frank Filippone wrote:
> 
> > Then the 486 filter should fix the issue......it would kill the IR  
> > components......easy to test for.....
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > red735i@earthlink.net
> >
> > Given that candles are a strong source of IR, I would guess that  
> > this is almost entirely an IR problem.
> >
> >
> >
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