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Subject: [Leica] Dog wrangling - guns, kids, and saying "cheese"
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Fri Oct 20 15:07:14 2006
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Op 20-okt-06, om 23:44 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:

> Frank
>
> To anyone not familiar with the terminology it could be just about  
> any thing that goes bang. Just because a group of people get  
> together and poke holes in paper does not mean their weapons are  
> sport shooters.  M14's, M16's, AK47's and at one time M-1's were  
> appropriately called assault rifles. ( although I can't remember if  
> the Marine Corps called them that in the 60's) The government calls  
> them assault rifles, the military calls them assault rifles and I  
> seriously doubt me calling them assault rifles makes me wrong. I'll  
> bet the fellow Princess Di was killed with called them assault  
> rifles as well.
>
> As far as versatility and accuracy are concerned, who knows. I'd  
> gladly pick up a .308  bolt-action sporter if the "bad guy" was  
> three or four hundred yards away getting ready to act like Rambo.  
> All the flat shooting, small bore and high velocity weapons are  
> good up close. My preference would be to stay as far away as  
> possible from folks who didn't like me. Let them get too close and  
> 12 ga. Winchester pump works quite well. Additionally. I don't  
> think I insulted competitive shooters. I competed in the Marines  
> about 100 years ago with rifles and pistols. One thing though,  
> These folks Kyle is working on seem a bit round the bend to me.  
> Posing with their "sporters" while kids run around and play with  
> the dogs?  There is momma with her Glock while dad gets ready to  
> protect the family with his AK47?
> As far as your statement defining an assault weapon? Who knows?  
> Maybe it's sport when the victim is paper or tin and assault when  
> the victim bleeds. I for one don/t find the idea of blowing holes  
> in animals sport but many will argue that. I do think bullfighting  
> is a sport though and that might put me in the minority.
>
> Walt
>
> Frank F. Farmer wrote:
>
>> Walt,
>>
>> I usually don't get into these discussions.  But you are  
>> really . . . wrong.  True, there are a whole lot of gun nuts out  
>> there.  But, I defy to you define an "assault" weapon.  To me, it  
>> would be a weapon used while conducting an assault.  That is the  
>> only reliable definition.  As to a "sport shooter" I think the  
>> same standard might apply.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone who owns an assault rifle and claims to be a sport shooter  
>>> has no real idea of sport.
>>
>>
>> Many members of the United States Practical Shooting Association  
>> or USPSA (the US branch of the International Practical Shooting  
>> Confederation or IPSC) would disagree with you.  There are  
>> shooting sport matches ALL OVER THE WORLD that use a variety of  
>> pistols, shotguns and rifles.   Further, the single most commonly  
>> used rifle for USPSA/IPSC events is some variant of the AR-15/M-16  
>> "assault rifle."   The competitors use them for the same reasons  
>> the army or police do.  They are accurate and are very versatile  
>> weapons.  One is able to almost instantaneously switch from iron  
>> sights to short range optics to long range optics.  They are  
>> light, compact and they use the inexpensive and accurate .223  
>> (5.56mm) cartridge.  They are also easy to work on, easy to attach  
>> a bi-pod to and easy to interchange parts, should one break.  They  
>> are very easily customized and there are virtually unlimited  
>> options one could add to get some sort of competitive advantage  
>> available from countless manufacturers.
>>
>> Having competed in a number of these matches, I can say  
>> wholeheartedly that I see far more sportsmanship in these  
>> competitions than I see in the headlines coming out of football or  
>> baseball or even the world cup last year.  Your statement that an  
>> "assault rifle" cannot be a "sport shooter" is just plain wrong.   
>> So, for future reference, I'd read up a bit more before throwing  
>> insults to folks who compete in these events.
>>
>> Finally, are there people out there who use these weapons  
>> inappropriately?  Absolutely.  Should they be punished to the full  
>> extent of the law.  Again, absolutely.  However, legitimate  
>> sporting events often use these guns for just that - sport.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Frank Farmer
>> Jackson, Miss.
>>
>>
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