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Subject: [Leica] A Modest Proposal
From: ricc at mindspring.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Thu Oct 19 19:08:02 2006
References: <20061020013757.91004.qmail@web55907.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

;^)

ric


On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:37 PM, H. Ball Arche wrote:

> But Walt, irony builds up the blood.
>
> --- Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>
>> Now Harvey
>>
>> Wasn't there a discussion the other day about fat
>> America? The corporate
>> farmers feed the livestock hormones to make them
>> fat. America women eat
>> too much and they begin to resemble ??? Well, you
>> are what you eat but I
>> won't eat no damned gun nut!.
>>
>> H. Ball Arche wrote:
>>
>>> And then fed to the Vegans.
>>>
>>> --- Buzz Hausner <buzz.hausner@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gun owners should be lined up against a wall and
>>>> shot.
>>>>
>>>>    Buzz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/19/06 7:38 PM, "Philip Forrest"
>>>> <photo.forrest@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think that owning an assault rifle for home
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> defense is impractical, yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However, if one believes in protecting oneself,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> family and property, law
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> enforcement doesn't do that for you.  There is no
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> reason that a law abiding
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> citizen cannot responsibly own and use a firearm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> of any type (small arms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> here, not artillery pieces & the like.)  I love
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> target shooting and though I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> don't know if it should be considered a "sport"
>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> certainly requires great
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> discipline and training to be able to
>> consistently
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> and accurately place
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> shots on target.  It's just a step below golf in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it's level of discipline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and ability, but much the same when it comes to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the final goal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Fear is what drives irrational decisions.  A gun
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> will not shoot itself, we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> all know this.  The only way a firearm will do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what it's supposed to is if a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> person operating it makes it work.  Fear is what
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> needs to be overcome by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> people who don't know anything about firearms.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They should be shown that a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> firearm is just a tool, the same way that a
>> torque
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrench is a tool.  They
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> have very specific purposes, but both are tools
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> nonetheless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have no problem with people who don't like
>> guns,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> but for rational reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anti-gun folks need to come up with real and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> equitable solutions to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> problems they have that will WORK.  There will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> never be a United States
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> where firearm ownership is not a right, so that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> side of the gun argument
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> needs to come up with a realistic solution to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> problems they have with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> firearms.  The AWB proved that gun violence did
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> not decrease during the 10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> years it was effective.  10 rounds in the
>> magazine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> or 100 rounds, it doesn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> matter.  Assault weapons are used in so few
>> crimes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> as to be a blip on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> radar in comparison to the gun related crimes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> committed with Raven .25's or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> other cheap guns.  The average assault weapon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> starts at about $600.  Few if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> any criminals are going to be willing to put that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> kind of money into a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> firearm when they could get a cheap pistol for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> $30.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The only way that crime with firearms is to be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> quelled is by large scale
>>
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>
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