Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris if you are taking that continuous curve analog light and sampling it to discrete steps, it just must be softer. Sharpening is inevitable. Of course just how smart the algorithm is that restores that lost apparent sharpness, where it happens and how much control you want over the process is the biggie. Cheers Hoppy -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Williams Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2006 02:12 To: Leica Users Group Subject: [Leica] Re: BW modes Simply converting a color image to BW sucks. Too many levels, curves to work with getting a good BW out of a color image. If I had a BW RAW to deal with, I'd already have custom curves ready to work with the images. Saves at least one step for me. That's allot of saving IMO. That's the problem I think now. Too many crap tools! Perhaps actually having a digital image that you do not have to sharpen is a start? Even sharp prime lenses need sharpening. I'd take that motorized SP and beat the shite out of that Rebel. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Dory" <don.dory@gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: BW modes > Come on Chris, > This would work fine if "convert to grayscale" made you happy. Or if you > simply desaturated your images which is the same thing as a B&W imaging > would do. In fairness this is not entirely correct wrt pixel density and > ability to see finer detail. > > Face it, many images work better if you apply a little filtration as you > convert to B&W. And you are still going to adjust levels, curves, possibly > a little dodging or burning so maybe you would only spend 2.5 hours getting > your images up to your standards. Last, as expensive as you are per hour, > it is still cheaper than sending 50 rolls of film to the lab. > > We are never happy, photographers have more tools that are better than they > have ever been and still we grump. Sometime pick up a motorised SP from the > late fifties and compare that with a lowly film Rebel. Size, weight, > framing rate, available lenses, TTL flash capability, and metering are all > much better today for less money even before inflation. But hey, you could > at least buy a F1.1 lens for your Nikon then. > > Don > don.dory@gmail.com > > > On 9/15/06, Christopher Williams <leicachris@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > > I'd love to have full BW RAW mode, no color converting at all. Save even > > more time when I'm dealing with 800-1600 images from a wedding. Now that > > we're getting into even more megapixel's in cameras, anything to speed up > > processing. Try converting 500 or more color RAW images to BW jpeg on a > > D1x > > with 10mp interpolation on! > > > > Also I hate that clients just consider "well, you can just change it to BW > > later right?". I want the BW capture first! I want Neopan 1600 in a 10mp > > camera GD! > > > > There was talk from Leica on a BW only digital M. Special limited edition > > matte chrome Bresson Digital BW M8.5 camera, only $9999 > > > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "G Hopkinson" > > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re BW modes > > > > > > > B.D., yes, got that you were championing original RAW capture. > > > I understand and agree from my limited knowledge. > > > I've only played with a couple of RAW files (from a D70 user) as an > > educational exercise, but is it not only adding a channel mix > > > choice to the workflow? Meanwhile still preserving all of the RGB info > > as > > options? > > > Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but is the sensor capture fundamentally > > not b/w, with filters/alterations applied to produce the > > > three channels? > > > I can't see that actually being commercially viable to pursue but I can > > see b/w as a minority output choice, being most versatile > > > coming from the three channels. Maybe I'm just overly b/w from colour > > scan > > fixated? > > > I really want to understand better. > > > All knowledge is golden, someone wise said. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Hoppy > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information