Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Catch a breath, B.D. Here...just below, you'll note that I did say one would be tempted to believe the governor. So, I did cut Craig's paper some slack. Does that excuse the NYT from not confirming? I suppose, if you want to hold the NYT to the same standards as The News & Observer (Raleigh-Durham), go with it. My apologies for egregiously offending you. -Chris Lawson > True, one would be tempted to accept what the state's governor said as > truth > regarding the matter. While the first-edition stories were incorrect, > nonetheless, that would seem to make the story less wantonly sloppy. > > Do note, however, that the mining company's spokesman did NOT proclaim > there > were survivors. Nope. > > -Chris Lawson -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@comcast.net> > No, not "less wantonly sloppy " - not at all sloppy. > I, for one, am still waiting to hear about your new career as a press > critic, and the experience upon which it's based. > > And while we're speaking of "wantonly sloppy," and lack of accuracy, I > wonder when we can expect to hear to see your correction- 'Oh, the Governor > the state announced it? Guess I was wrong when I said the Times was > irresponsible in reporting it." > > > On 1/4/06 3:29 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Craig's newpaper reported: > > > > "The story we published, from the Associated Press, quoted the governor > > of > > West Virginia and a high-level state official, both on the record, > > saying 12 > > miners were alive and being examined. Relatives were celebrating and > > singing > > hymns. The story noted that the mine owner, International Coal Group > > Inc., had > > not confirmed that the miners were alive. But neither had company > > officials > > done anything to contradict the reports - and it appears they took > > several > > hours to set the record straight." > > > > True, one would be tempted to accept what the state's governor said as > > truth > > regarding the matter. While the first-edition stories were incorrect, > > nonetheless, that would seem to make the story less wantonly sloppy. > > > > Do note, however, that the mining company's spokesman did NOT proclaim > > there > > were survivors. Nope. > > > > -Chris Lawson > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Craig Zeni <clzeni@mindspring.com> > >> > >> On Jan 4, 2006, at 1:54 PM, mcyclwritr@comcast.net wrote: > >> > >>> This exactly the sort of NYT apologist retort I anticipated. That's > >>> why my original post included a whiff of Basic Reporting 101, which, > >>> predictably, is missing from your reply. > >>> > >>> How do you know what the "mining company told family members and > >>> others?" Was it broadcast on TV? Did you see actual, talking-head > >>> footage? Did that talking head say to the effect of "It has been > >>> confirmed that rescuers have reached 12 surviving miners?" If so, I > >>> defer to you. I didn't see it. Further, who is a "mining company?" How > >>> can a company speak? It speaks through a spokesman. Who is that > >>> person? What, exactly, did he say? Report it, wrapped it in quotation > >>> marks. > >>> > >>> And that's just part of why this particular misreporting debacle is so > >>> embarrassing. Nobody from the wire service or any other reporting > >>> agency took the time CONFIRM a damn thing. Not one damn thing. See the > >>> difference? Spreading rumors and miscommunication versus factual, > >>> substantiated reporting. > >>> > >>> Don't settle for sloppy reporting. Demand facts. Get information from > >>> numerous sources, whether you're the reporter or the reader. > >> > >> I believe that you're incorrect. > >> > >> From our local newspaper, read this: http://tinyurl.com/7sggw - "The > >> story we published, from the Associated Press, quoted the governor of > >> West Virginia and a high-level state official, both on the record, > >> saying 12 miners were alive and being examined." > >> > >> Still convinced it's sloppy? Only if you think that it's irresponsible > >> and sloppy to actually trust an on-the-record quote from the governor > >> of the state. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information