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Subject: [Leica] FW: Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing Violence, Chaos
From: bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Fri Sep 2 16:52:22 2005

Ah, yes, but it does keep the riff-raff all together in one place, out of
sight and out of mind - which is the idea - until the Apocalypse. ;-)


On 9/2/05 6:17 PM, "Scott McLoughlin" <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:

> Housing projects were/are a bad idea. Concentrating so much poverty,
> misery and vast disfunction all together in isolated areas is a recipe for,
> well, for just about what we've gotten ourselves into at the current time.
> 
> Scott
> 
> Chris Williams wrote:
> 
>> Well the gangs in New Orleans only know mass murder. Get rid of them and 
>> the
>> situation is at least a little easier.
>> 
>> If anyone has ever been in the projects of New Orleans, you'd see what I'm
>> saying. 
>> 
>> It was so bad 11 yrs when we first moved here that the military was
>> threatening to move in to stop violence. Chief Pennigton restored allot of
>> order by kicking out the corrupt police. He moved on  2yrs ago to Atlanta.
>> Then murders started going back up. Sometimes 3 or 4 a night within 
>> blocks of
>> each other. The city thought moving some projects would help. Some were 
>> moved
>> to NO East and Slidell. Guess what, Slidell crime when skyrocket.
>> 
>> I can tell you in my area that when they moved the projects out, our crime
>> went way down, more shops opened and walking around at night became 
>> something
>> we could do. I used to have to watch out for our house and car after Mardi
>> Gras parades because gangs would knock out windows. Police would have to
>> escort them back to the projects.
>> 
>> If they don't care for human life, why should we care about them?
>> 
>> By the way, Bush had to spend 30 minutes in AL posing for photo ops??? 
>> Gimme
>> a fecking break. and they say they are in a hurry.
>> 
>> 7 Minutes during 9/11, 30 minutes for 2 million displaced.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Saganich <chs2018@med.cornell.edu> wrote:
>> Oh yea that is a solution which has never been tried. How simple. I'm
>> always amazed at how little we Americans understand about our own
>> society. Such blindness will never make us strong, or help us solve
>> problems in any other way but mass murder. Go for it Chris. Get out there
>> and make a difference.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> At 08:40 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
>>  
>> 
>>> The Ward Gangs in N.O. are heavily armed, always have been. We're talking
>>> AK-47s, Uzis, etc. They do not care for human lives. Even before this
>>> photographers would be risking their lives going into project areas. I've
>>> seen coroner photos for years in New Orleans.
>>> 
>>> It's not worth it to risk your life down there. Though I feel sorry for
>>> the vast majority of poor still stuck in New Orleans, these project 
>>> people
>>> are not worth it. Just like in Iraq, the only way to get rid of 
>>> insurgency
>>> is to kill them, or get out and save yourself.
>>> 
>>> Even the NOPD friends I know would kill them given the chance. And these
>>> are black friends saying this.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> New Orleans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott McLoughlin wrote:
>>> I wonder if the Toronto and NYT jounalists were shooting discrete MP's
>>> and Noctilux (on topic - see) if they could have avoided police
>>> violence. For
>>> that matter, I wonder why with all the looting and gun violence going on
>>> why
>>> police would have wasted their time with lone journalists wielding just
>>> a simple
>>> camera of any stripe?
>>> 
>>> Maybe FEMA should issue a warning to photo journalists and other press
>>> personel to avoid dangerous, armed roaming police personel at all costs.
>>> Sheesh, what a miserable country we live in - or so I'm sometimes led to
>>> think. My Ukrainian g'friend pretty much hates it here, and I defend this
>>> country to teeth. I'm gonna have a field day tomorrow when I see her.
>>> Can't help it, I'm crying here.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> Timothy Atherton wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>>> if anyone is thinking of photographing in N.O.....
>>>> 
>>>>> From Donald Winslow at the NPPA:
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Subject: Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing
>>>> Violence, Chaos
>>>> Importance: High
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Full Story Online At:
>>>> http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
>>>> 
>>>> Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing Violence, Chaos
>>>> 
>>>> AUSTIN, TX (September 1, 2005) &shy; As photojournalists continue to
>>>>      
>>>> 
>>> document
>>>    
>>> 
>>>> the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina?s violent assault on the Gulf Coast,
>>>> today they also found themselves documenting new violence and death 
>>>> among
>>>> the survivors, the refugees, and the looters and police and rescuers in 
>>>> New
>>>> Orleans, while some photojournalists even fell victim to the violence
>>>> themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> Two veteran photojournalists - NPPA member Rick Wilking of Reuters and
>>>> Getty's Mark Wilson - were robbed of cameras and computer equipment 
>>>> today
>>>> while on assignment in a neighborhood in New Orleans, and a 
>>>> photojournalist
>>>> and a reporter were confronted at gunpoint and slammed against a wall by
>>>> police following a shoot-out between looters and cops that left at least
>>>> one
>>>> person dead.
>>>> 
>>>> Another photojournalist - Lucas Oleniuk of the Toronto Star - was 
>>>> knocked
>>>> to
>>>> the ground by police, his gear taken from him initially, when he
>>>> photographed them shooting at looters and then beating one. A New York
>>>> Times
>>>> photojournalist and Times-Picayune reporter Gordon Russell were slammed
>>>> into
>>>> a wall by police at gunpoint after they witnessed a shoot-out between 
>>>> cops
>>>> and looters that left at least one person dead.
>>>> 
>>>> In response to the growing violence and an increasing sense of despair
>>>> among
>>>> the stranded survivors, some television networks have hired armed 
>>>> private
>>>> security firms to protect their journalists as they work to cover the
>>>> story.
>>>> 
>>>> Full Story Online At:
>>>> http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>> 
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>> 
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Replies: Reply from ahgraves at prodigy.net (Allen Graves) ([Leica] FW: Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing Violence, Chaos)
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