Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/03/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Its possible if its really worth it. I'm in Prague from the 7 to the 12, and I had planned to go to Poland from there, before heading back to Hamburg and Sweden. On 08/03/2005, at 1:29 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote: > If you're serious ... you will be making a very, very serious mistake > by > not being here in Oslo May 17. It is a special day. A "must-see". > > I leave for Africa on the 19th but it was planned that way, in order to > be here on the 17th. > > Daniel > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Alastair Firkin wrote: > >> OK, see you in MAY ;-) >> On 08/03/2005, at 1:17 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote: >> >>> Tourists are very welcome and the Norwegian population is a charmer. >>> >>> As a tourist, you won't need to have anything to do with these >>> salaried >>> twits. :-) >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Alastair Firkin wrote: >>> >>>> gee, Helen and I were due to come up that way, perhaps we will go to >>>> New Zealand: they are only moderately unfriendly there ;-) >>>> On 08/03/2005, at 1:04 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote: >>>> >>>>> Graham, >>>>> Foreigners are not really welcome here. Tolerated, but not welcome. >>>>> The >>>>> fewer, the better. Perhaps I'm exaggerating, but I feel I have to >>>>> since >>>>> Scandinavia has tended to have a liberal stamp on it. The various >>>>> countries react differently. I suspect that Sweden has the most >>>>> liberal >>>>> refugee policy, Finland the least, Denmark, a small country, has >>>>> been >>>>> over >>>>> saturated and Norway is somewhere inbetween. Probably closer to >>>>> Finland >>>>> than anything else. >>>>> >>>>> Norway does have a lot of public money, oil money. So it can afford >>>>> to >>>>> have civil servants on duty who really don't have to pull much >>>>> weight. >>>>> They can act offended if you show up and expecting them to perform >>>>> their >>>>> duties. (I've had a run-in with a few of them, so my background >>>>> information might be tainted :-) ). It doesn't really matter if >>>>> they >>>>> do >>>>> anything or not. The country and afford them. The bureaucracy is of >>>>> Byzantine proportions. >>>>> >>>>> So you have these furners. You make them report to the police >>>>> station >>>>> (one >>>>> single police station in all of Oslo, the capital city, mind you, >>>>> not >>>>> just >>>>> your local station) between 8 and 10? possibly 11. Anyway, at the >>>>> end >>>>> of >>>>> the short time frame they close. Doesn't matter that you've been >>>>> waiting >>>>> there since 8 am, they close. Sorry. Come back tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> So all these poor souls start queuing up at around 7 am. This >>>>> particular >>>>> day it was -15 degrees and the wind was raging off the fjord, the >>>>> harbour. >>>>> Cold. Very cold. Most of these people come from temperate zones ... >>>>> Africa, Pakistan, India etc. 15 degrees is cold for many of them. >>>>> >>>>> At 8 o'clock ... make that 8:05 if the police really feel like >>>>> screwing >>>>> with you, they unlock the door. Now at that point, you don't retain >>>>> your >>>>> queue place, but you have to rush to a number machine and get a >>>>> queue >>>>> number. >>>>> >>>>> Some of these will not get served on today. The one station is Oslo >>>>> is >>>>> not >>>>> open long enough to take care of them. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe they'll get tired of it and decide to move home? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80729.html >>>>> >>>>> Excuse my cynical humor today. I had a run-in with the customs >>>>> people >>>>> at >>>>> the border last night. Norway is a member of Schengen so they're >>>>> not >>>>> allowed to do controls of people, only of goods. I think they're >>>>> trying to >>>>> drum up business for the train line to Gothenburg they now have but >>>>> can't >>>>> get to take off (they raised the price 100%) so they're making sure >>>>> all >>>>> other forms of transportation are so miserable to use that people >>>>> with >>>>> opt >>>>> for the useless train instead (it's a milk-run. Stops at every farm >>>>> between Gothenburg and Oslo). >>>>> >>>>> Something like that ... >>>>> >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> I particularly like these two: >>>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80727.html >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80728.html >>>>>> >>>>>> and I am curious about the reference to 'foreigners dose of >>>>>> humiliation' >>>>>> >>>>>> --Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Alastair >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> Alastair >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > Alastair