[Leica] 20 Discards

[bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)]

Philippe - First off, your five cents is worth just as much as mine -
more given the pathetic state of our dollar. :-) Second, we do indeed
bring our own perceptions to the table when we judge images, and that
makes judging our own images particularly difficult. And we certainly
see different things in the same image - if they're any good, I'll add.
;-)

Again, thanks for the perceptive - polite :-) - feedback. I really
appreciate it, even if I disagree with some of it.

Best
B. D.

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Philippe Orlent
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:30 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] 20 Discards


B.D.,

What I find particulary interesting is the fact that:

a) The one that makes the photograph, sees -probably due to his
involvement with the photograph- often more in his images than an
unprejudiced spectator does. It's a dilemma: not being able to judge
ones own work (in French: pas assez de recule).

b) Different people interpret the same images differently. Luckily, I'd
add.

It is not that I didn't suspect what 17 and 19 were about (I tried to
hint this hopefully) but that they IMO did not undoubtedly tell the
story that you see in them. 

Again, my 5 cents.

Philippe
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> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:34:36 -0500
> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] 20 Discards
> 
> Wow! Does this tell us why they stage horse races...:-) Obviously, I 
> like your picks as they were in my original 40 - The dog photo is one 
> of my all time favorites, but my daughter particularly made the 
> argument that it is too out of sync with the rest of my work. I, too, 
> like the traffic light in the snow, but again, it's not really me. 
> Well, it is, because it caught my eye and I like it, but in terms of 
> what one might term my body of work, it doesn't fit.
> 
> Now, as to your cuts - Boy, do I disagree! I would argue - and I would

> really argue - that 17 and 19 are THE two best street photos I've ever

> taken. For 19, Not Angelica Houston, it's the fact that those women 
> scream wealthy Manhattan; it's the mood and saturation of the color; 
> and most important, it's the complete disconnect, the isolation, and 
> yet total connection of the two women.
> 
> And 17?! It's the disdainful yet curious stare of the black woman, the

> "banker's" aloofness and what I see as, perhaps, distain, the passing 
> glance of the Hasid, and the confusion of legs.
> 
> But, hey, that's what makes for horse races and the differences 
> between photographers. And thanks for the thoughtful response.
> 
> B. D.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
> Of Philippe Orlent
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:13 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] 20 Discards
> 
> 
> Dunno if it's major mistakes, but here I go. I'd put
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album163/Discard17
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album163/Discard18
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album163/Discard19
> 
> All because they intrigue me, make me curious about what is happening 
> there, or make me fantasize about what will happen. Maybe they are nit

> technically perfect in terms of cropping or so, but so what? IMO that 
> is a technical issue, and in interpreting such kind of images that is 
> not the first thing on my approval checklist.
> 
> and
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album163/Discard20, because I like the 
> soft colortones, because I find it a very graphical image and because 
> I like the out of focus effect. It's not something I've never seen 
> before, but it stays a kind of picture that captures the eye.
> 
> in the selection instead of
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen20_resize: is this 
> Anjelica Houston or a look alike? It's about the only thing that I can

> think about that would make this image a bit interesting. If it's 
> about generations not communicating, it lacks a clear sign of, well, 
> the lack of communication.
> 
> and
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen19_resize, because I like

> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen15_resize more, and it's 
> the same kind of theme: photographer takes a photo of a photographer.
> 
> and
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen17_resize, because it 
> feels like it's taken just too soon or too late: no real connection 
> between the 2 people in the photo.
> 
> and
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen12_resize: nothing is 
> really happening here, and as a purely graphic image it doesn't appeal

> to me.
> 
> and (even if it's 5 out against 4 in)
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/album154/Colen7_resize, because it's 
> the least of the (strong) prenatal series IMO
> 
> Just my 5 cents,
> Philippe
> ---
> 
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