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Subject: [Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon
From: bladman99 at yahoo.ca (Dan C)
Date: Wed Oct 27 09:35:56 2004
References: <013c01c4bc3e$50e49b50$4649c33e@sypcom>

The atomic clocks are always correct.   But there are watchs with builtin
radio receivers that automatically connect to an atomic clock on a daily
basis to update the time.   If you are in the middle of nowhere, maybe your
watch won't be able to find a signal.

-dan c.

At 12:13 PM 27-10-04 -0400, B. D. Colen wrote:
>You may well know more about this than I, Bob, but I thought the
>"atomic" watches and clocks are continually being reset by satellite,
>and thus can be reached, and remain accurate, no matter how remote the
>area.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>animal
>Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:02 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon
>
>
>What you want is a clock with a known error.
>One that gains 12 hours a day is more desirable then one that wanders a 
>minute a month in a random manner.
>Those radio controlled clocks are very nice but don,t work in remote
>areas. Obviously today there is hardly a need for chronometers with all
>the aids 
>available .
>Still it remains one of the desired properties of a super watch.
>
>
>> The basic point is correct, Simon - The Swiss pissed on the quartz 
>> watches, gave them away to the Japanese, and the Swiss watch industry 
>> headed for extinction.
>>
>> Yes, many of the old brands are still around - mostly as play toys for
>
>> the idle rich. As for the accuracy of chronometers... ...This is 
>> something you would know far more about than I, but aren't the most 
>> accurate watches and clocks available those that are directly linked 
>> to the "atomic clock" in Boulder, CO, watches and clocks that can be 
>> had for under $150. Granted, they sure don't look as cool as some 
>> Rolexes etc. But as we've discussed here before, many of us have had 
>> trouble with getting those beauties to keep time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>> Of animal
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:18 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon
>>
>>
>> That,s not how it went.
>> They were not happy merely to produce an accurate quartz watch. They 
>> wanted to make one that would qualify as a chronometre. For a watch to
>
>> be certified like that means among other things that the drift is 
>> known. So one can use it for navigation by noting the time and 
>> applying the drift
>> times the interval after the last setting.
>> That was very hard and indeed the japanese conquered the market witch
>> watches that with their random nature of drift were amazingly accurate
>> over
>> time but no chronometers.
>> They eventually succeeded with watches like the first dual time chrono
>> quartz and the constellation series.
>> One could argue that their aim for excellence was their downfall
>> somewhat. Still many of the old brands are still around and they make
>> the most
>> desirable watches.Don,t they?
>> best
>> simon jessurun
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon
>>
>>
>>> Oh, one last thing - The Swiss watch story is one of the greatest 
>>> examples of all times of an unbelievably stupid marketing decision: 
>>> for those who may be unaware of it - a Swiss company invented the 
>>> quartz watch - and the Swiss, distaining the idea of non-traditional 
>>> watches, sold/gave/licensed? it to the Japanese, resulting in the 
>>> precipitous decline and near extinction of the Swiss watch industry.
>>>
>>> And in the story of that disaster are far better parallels to Leica's
>
>>> marketing practices and views of itself and the rest of the photo 
>>> world, than are in the Lego story. ;-)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of Emanuel Lowi
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:12 AM
>>> To: lug@leica-users.org
>>> Subject: [Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon
>>>
>>>
>>> Didier Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Comparing Leica vs. digital (today) to swiss watch manufacturers vs.
>
>>>> quartz
>>>> (70ies) makes quite sense. Only the top swiss brands
>>>> with the upperclass
>>>> mechanical watches have survived this battle.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, many things have changed. Most of these
>>>> brands (not IWC) and
>>>> especially the heart of this industry, the clockwork manufactury 
>>>> ETA,
>>
>>>> are today owned by the Swatch group - a swiss company,
>>>> too, but making it's
>>>> money with - quartz watches!
>>>>
>>>> So the analogy could be Swatch = Cosina?...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here's another analogy from the local paper's business section the 
>>> other day.
>>>
>>> "Danish toymaker Lego Co. said yesterday it has yet to recover from a
>
>>> financial crisis and expects to record a loss this year despite an 
>>> elaborate recovery plan that included increased focus on its classic 
>>> products. The company, whose coloured plastic building blocks have 
>>> been a  favourite children's toy for decades, also said that 18-year 
>>> chief executive Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen resigned and was replaced by 
>>> Joergen Vig Kundstorp, a former senior vice-president for
>>> corporate affairs.
>>> CUT
>>> Lego said it had laid off 1000 workers worldwide this
>>> year, leaving it with 7400 employees.
>>> The company said early this year it hoped to break
>>> even in 2004, and said two months ago it was on track
>>> to do so. However, sales in North America and Japan
>>> were poor, and increased competition from companies
>>> like Montreal-based Mega Bloks and price pressure in
>>> the toy business has taken its toll, Lego said.
>>> Overall, sales in Europe have also been disappointing,
>>> although sales grew in southern and eastern Europe as
>>> markets opened up.
>>> As part of its cost-cutting moves, Lego said it would
>>> spin off its four amusement parks into a separate
>>> company with an eye towards selling the division
>>> completely.
>>> CUT
>>> The company isn't publicly traded, but has published
>>> earning reports since 1997.
>>> Founded in 1932, Lego's name was invented by combining
>>> the first two letters of the Danish word Leg godt
>>> (play well) without knowing that the word in latin
>>> means "I assemble."
>>>
>>> Lego = Leica
>>> Mega Bloks = Cosina
>>>
>>> Emanuel Lowi
>>> Montreal
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Replies: Reply from daniel.ridings at edd.uio.no (Daniel Ridings) ([Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon)
In reply to: Message from s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal) ([Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon)
Message from bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] Re: Interview on Zeiss Ikon)