Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/10/07

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Subject: [Leica] The negative as positive
From: phong at doan-ltd.com (Phong)
Date: Thu Oct 7 05:06:30 2004

I forgot to mention that the analogy
fails even within music itself.  Take
for example jazz;  the score hardly 
seems like the definitive document.
Classical music with the rigors in its 
notations works better for the analogy.

Anyway, I look at the analogy as an 
illustration of how the 2 stages of 
composing/negative producing and
performing/printing are related and yet
very independent of each other, offen
done by different people, and most
importantly, each offering its choices
in the creative process.  I do not look
at it so much as a statement of
the negative as the definitive document.

And if we pursue the analogy a bit further
where does that leave the photographer ?
In the exposure/develop/print photographic
chain, what is the music equivalent of exposure ?

- Phong


 Phong wrote:
> Paul Hardy Carter wrote:
> > 
> > Do I really insist? Oh yes, of course I do. Frightfully sorry for 
> > boring you by doing so!
> 
> 
> Since you insist :-)
> 
> The analogy works differently depending
> on whether you look into the creativity process
> in the production of the negative or the production
> of the print.
> 
> The analogy does not work for me for color
> photography because there is hardly any 
> creativity in (my and I suspect most others') 
> darkroom work to produce the color negative.
> Even in the printing stage, darkroom color work 
> is so unwieldy that I do not know any photographer 
> who puts much creativity there.  Digital interpretation
> with the instant feedback offers much more
> potential for creativity, and I know a lot of people
> who spend quite a bit of time there.  In that
> respect, the analogy works better for digital
> than for color printing.
> 
> The RAW file is as definitive a document as
> the B&W negative to me.  The analogy works better
> here from the point of view of the printer/musician
> but not so well for the film developer/composer,
> as it does not with the production of a color
> negative.
> 
> Finally, let me say I am sorry to have appeared 
> dismissive, if I have.   I actually have thought 
> about this analogy quite a bit before; it just does
> not work for me.    But  I leave my mind open.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Phong
> 
> 
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