Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks, that was quite informative. I often frame and refocus, especially 35mm lens in low light. I often thought the close objects should have been sharper, especially with my Leica glass. I'd be interested for 50/f2, just the summary please I'll take your word for it. Chris Saganich -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+saganicc=mskcc.org@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+saganicc=mskcc.org@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Jean Louchet Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:26 PM To: lug@leica-users.org Cc: eric clerjeaud; Pierre Collet; Jean Louchet Subject: [Leica] "focus then reframe" (aka fungus in camera) Hi all, Beware, the calculation maniac is back on line :-) Apart the Descartes formula, the second important formula is the "Setala formula" which allows to calculate the depth of field, the diameter of the blur circle etc. (According to the "photo club de Bievres", Mr Setala was a Leica User from Finland, and the inventor of the "depth of focus" scales one now finds on almost all lenses) Its parameters are: the diameter of the blur circle: Delta the diameter of the diaphragm: Diaph the focal distance: f the distance on which the lens is focussed: z the actual object's distance: d Setala's formula is: Delta = Diaph * f * abs(1/z - 1/d) It is only true when z is much greater than f (always the case except in macrophotography) Let's take as an example a 35mm lens on a leica. As the focal length f (35mm) is about equal to the width of the image (36mm), if we want to photograph a vertical wall at distance d, the part of the wall which projects onto the side of the picture will be at an actual distance z (measured by the rangefinder before turning the camera) such that d^2 = z^2 + e^2 where e is half the width of the part of the wall that will be visible on the picture (sorry I can't make a drawing here, but this is Pythagore's theorem), and e=z/2 (because we have a 35mm lens and a 18mm half-width of the picture). Thus we can calculate 1/z - 1/d, eliminating d (d = z * (sqrt(5)/2 = z*1.118) gives 1/z - 1/d = 1/z *(1 - 2/sqrt(5)) = 0.105/z At aperture f/2 we have (in millimeters) Diaph = 17.5mm and Delta = 17.5 * 35 * 0.105 * (1/z) (z also in millimeters!) Delta = 64.3/z This is the diameter of the "blurring" on the picture of the wall if we rely on the "focus then reframe" technique. At infinity (z = inf) the picture will be (in theory) perfectly sharp. At z = 10 metres we have Delta = 64.3/10000 = 6.4 microns = perfectly sharp in practice. At z = 5 metres, Delta = 13 microns = very sharp (would still resolve 80 lines/mm). At z = 2 metres, Delta = 32 microns = usually considered "good" or "acceptable" (30 lines/mm). At z - 1 metre, Delta = 64 microns :-( it is worth to make the focussing correction. The correction coefficient on the edges is 1.118 (say 12%). If one uses the rangefinder on an object and wants this object to be sharp when it gets on the side of the picture, he will have to SUBTRACT 12% to the distance given by the rangefinder. The same formulas with aperture 1.4 would give: At z = 10 metres Delta = 9 microns "very sharp" At z = 5 metres Delta = 18 microns "sharp" At z = 2 metres Delta = 45 microns "fair" :-| TO SUMMARISE: with a 35mm, at aperture 2 "focus then reframe" is OK from 2 metres at aperture 1.4 "FTR" is OK from 3 metres. At shorter distances, one has to reduce the focussing by, say, 10 - 12%. I did not consider focussing on an object which will finally be right in a corner (no practical interest). OF COURSE we luggers will take much, much better pictures now :-) If anyone is interested in having the equivalent results with a 50mm, let me know (private e-mail), I may well open another page on my web site. Jean -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Dr Jean Louchet COMPLEX Project INRIA Rocquencourt BP105 78153 Le Chesnay cedex, France Jean.Louchet@inria.fr http://fractales.inria.fr/~louchet +33 (0)1 3963 5582/5104 fax: +33 (0)1 3963 5995 ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information ===================================================================== Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.