[Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos

[saganicc at MSKCC.ORG (Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics)]

Couldn't have said it any better.

Chris Saganich


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From: lug-bounces+saganicc=mskcc.org@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+saganicc=mskcc.org@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of B. D. Colen
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:37 AM
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos

Absolutely true...For all her pedantic, bs, far-left-wing driveling,
Sontag's writings always remind me of the joke about the kid whose
parents find him shoveling madly into a pile of horse manure on Xmas
morning...."With all this horse shit," he explains, "there must be a
pony." And there are ponies in Sontag's horse shit:
1. Things are not "real" until they are photographed;
2. Photographs are "reality;"
3. The Iraq prison photos are souvenir photos much like the photos of
Southern lynchings, in which the participants are proudly grinning for
the camera - no guilt, no shame; rather, pride;
4. War photography up until now has been the province of "war
photographers," but now every GI has a camera, and records his or her
fun times, hellish times, and work as a torturer.

B. D.

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From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Raimo K
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:00 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos


Yeah, but think about the power of photography!
The images depict the kind of American culture that US military and
police organisations and CIA has been teaching all along in the
non-anti-American dictatorships for ages, in Latin America, in
South-East Asia, in Africa - probably many of Saddam Hussein?s polices
were also trained by US agencies - and nobody took any notice until the
pictures became public. Photography has power! All the best! Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at: http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos


> And yet, how much of it is just plain Sontag. Being one of the New 
> World Order's original pied-pipers, I can bet that there won't any 
> soul
searching
> on her part.
> Thankfully her petard has just about run its historical course. This 
> piece of taffy reads more like the kind of press release DoD wished it

> could do. It reads, somewhat, as though from another time, when there 
> existed a
kind
> of intellectual golem, nationally and internationally,  which another 
> Federal agency was able to garner in its camp during the Cold War's
culture
> wars.
> S. Dimitrov
>
>
>
> > From: Tina Manley <images@InfoAve.Net>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:57:09 -0400
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos
> >
> > At 12:11 PM 5/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >> Cover story in yesterday's NYT Magazine entitled The Photographs 
> >> Are
Us.
> >> It is much more a piece about the U.S., Iraq and torture than about

> >> photography, but she makes some interesting observations about the 
> >> photos. Similarly, Sarah Boxer had a Times column yesterday on the 
> >> same subject.
> >
> > I kept hoping that the photos would be revealed to be hoaxes like 
> > the
ones
> > of the British soldiers.  I guess I have too much faith in the 
> > ultimate humanity of most people to believe that such things 
> > actually happen.  We need to know about it when it happens but I am 
> > so tired of hearing of nothing but how horrible we all are.  It's 
> > time for me to go to Honduras with a medical brigade and renew my 
> > faith in humanity.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > www.tinamanley.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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