[Leica] Album

[pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig)]

Thanks BD; saee my response to Ted.

Peter

B. D. Colen wrote:

> Okay, Mr. Ted, this is where we temporarily part company. If I have a
> 'complaint' about this one it's that it does lack a traditional
> 'subject,' on the other hand, the lack of subject may BE the subject. My
> eye went immediately to that frosty mid-ground; and the out-of-focus
> foreground makes sense to my eyes, and my brain - this really is what I
> envision when I think frosty field, morning, woods, etc....I think you
> may be seeing this one from too much of a PJ's perspective, rather than
> simply seeing it as an evocative image.
> 
> But what do I know - so far I'm out-numbered two to one, and by heavy
> guns... :-)
> 
> B. D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Ted Grant
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:10 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Album
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> Peter Dzwig  showed:
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>>>>http://gallery.leica-users.org/My-album/FrostyMorningR11b7001_020<<<
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> Nathan Wajsman offered in comment:
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>>>>I was really attracted by this one
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>>http://gallery.leica-users.org/My-album/FrostyMorningR11b7001_020
>>when looking at the thumbnails. But when I opened the large image, I 
>>was put off by the large area of unsharp vegetation in the foreground.
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>>The light in the image is beautiful but this unsharpness in the 
>>foreground bothers me.
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> Hi Peter & Nathan,
> I agree with you Nathan no question. The out of focus foreground is much
> too distracting and basically blocks one's eyes from going beyond it.
> Besides there isn't anything in the background strong enough for one's
> eye to lock on and jump by the out of focus area.
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> What happens when a human looks at a scene like this, our eyes are
> changing focus so rapidly as we scan the scene, we don't see the out of
> focus area as it appears in the photograph. Therefore when we look at
> final shot on film here's this big "blob" of distracting area spoiling a
> wonderful frost effect scene.
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> Peter this scene has wonderful possibilities with all the backlit frost,
> but it's also a tough subject to make it work well. Either by stopping
> down to capture the frost covered grass to the trees in the bckgrd, a
> macro or tele lens for separation of sparkling frost from black
> background..
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> I would've tried for a tight shot on some heavy frost covered blades of
> grass or branches, macro or close to that. With the background
> completely out of focus and the foliage sparkling against a dark
> background due to the backlighting.
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> A tele might've worked by making your shot out of the grass/shrubs upper
> right side almost at the edge of the frame against the black bckgrd.
> Probably a 400mm or in that range. Or walk closer and use a 200 might be
> alright. Or a 400 with a macro adapter...... like wow!!!!!! ;-)
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> Sorry mate but that's the way it goes sometimes.
> ted
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