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Subject: RE: [Leica] Not a PAW... the shiney shoe shot
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:46:16 -0500

An interesting way of looking at the photo...

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack
McLain
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:40 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Not a PAW... the shiney shoe shot


point taken... I guess I'd look at the (cropped version) feet in a
diagonal row and think "WTF is going on here?"  thus.. an enigma.
Perhaps my choice of the word enigma was inapropriate.  I like
photographs that force the viewer to supply his/her own context.  Even
cause them to figure out for themselves just what it is they are looking
at, while having their attention held through this analytical process by
a strong graphic composition.  I think this shot has that potential.

cheers
Jack McLain
Tucson, AZ
http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Not a PAW... the shiney shoe shot


> Thanks...But think about this...Cropped as you suggest, it doesn't 
> really strike me as  enigmatic - it's a shot of a bunch of guys in 
> formal dress lined up. Visually interesting perhaps, but not 
> enigmatic. But with the odd-man-out aspect, it becomes enigmatic...Who

> is the guy on the left? Why isn't he standing close to the other guys?

> Has he had a falling out with them? Is he a loner? Is he just a doofus

> who doesn't realize he's supposed to close up the gap?
>
> Just another way of looking at the image...
>
> On another front...it's not a question of pleasing the 
> client...because believe it or not, that's not how I pick the images; 
> it's a matter of telling a story, of documenting the day. And the fact

> that the 'kid' was 'one of the guys,' but quite obviously wasn't, was 
> part of the story.
>
> B. D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack 
> McLain
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Not a PAW... the shiney shoe shot
>
>
> I thought about this image a bit more after I sent off the last 
> message. I think this discussion is an interesting illustration of the

> difference between documentary photography (which is what you are 
> doing here) and purely artistic photography for which the image is a 
> stand alone without any context of the event or background information

> required.  (This make sense? Am I being clear?).  I can see that your 
> clients who you wish to please would prefer the version you showed, 
> but as a gallery print the strong compositional crop might be better. 
> It would be enigmatic and more interesting visually (to my eye 
> anyway).
>
> Regardless.... nice set of shots.
>
> cheers
> Jack McLain
> Tucson, AZ
> http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Not a PAW...
>
>
> > Thanks, Jack - It does indeed...As to the shoes...I thought about 
> > the crop you suggest...in fact I have another image with all the 
> > feet lined up...But I wanted the one set of feet out of line...in 
> > part it is one of those 'you have to know the background' shots, 
> > which I normally curse about...the out-of-sync shoes belong to the 
> > apx 12-year-old (charming) nephew of the bride, who was one of the 
> > groomsmen - the rest are all the grooms adult former college 
> > roommates...so the kid was 'one of the guys,' but as the photo will 
> > show those for whom it is intended, he wasn't.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack 
> > McLain
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:19 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Not a PAW...
> >
> >
> > I agree... the shoe shot is far and away my favorite.  I normally do

> > not like to crop (rather do it with the camera) but I think this 
> > shot might benefit by removing the far left figure.  I think this 
> > might make this a tighter, more graphic image. The line of 
> > disembodied feet in a diagonal partitioning of the frame might be 
> > nice.
> >
> > My second favorite is the wedding photog shooting the bride and the 
> > father (I assume father).  It illustrates the humorless, artificial 
> > business of weddings.
> >
> > Nice work
> > cheers
> >
> > Jack McLain
> > Tucson, AZ
> > http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Not a PAW...
> >
> >
> > > B. D. Colen showed:
> > > > But new images...
> > > > From a shoot of the 24 hours before a wedding through the 
> > > > ceremony....I still have many more images to work on, but here's

> > > > a
>
> > > > group of initial picks... 
> > > > http://www.leica-gallery.net/bdcolen/folder-6029.html<<<
> > >
> > > B.D.,
> > > Some damn fine photography! My favourite?  The shoes of the men 
> > > attendees! Just a first class photograph, but more important is to

> > > have seen it in
> > the
> > > first place!!! Most people including pro wedding shooters wouldn't

> > > see
> >
> > > it and if they did would pass it by because they don't have a 
> > > motivational
> > eyes
> > > and weddings are all about brides!!
> > >
> > > I mean at a wedding who looks at the feet of the guys? It's always

> > > the
> >
> > > beauty of the bride everyone has the hots for to do pictures and 
> > > what do
> > you
> > > do?  See the shiny shoes!!! A beauty! FOM 2 material for sure! You

> > > may
> >
> > > not hear worth a damn but you "shur got sharp photo eyes!" ;-)
> > >
> > > ted
> > >
> > >
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