Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]No, Jerry - You initially made a quite general statement, to which Sonny responded...And then all of a sudden, you responded to him as "Sonny boy," which, I would think, anyone over the age of three might tend to find a bit insulting.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry Lehrer Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:45 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] DEADLINE I*AQ -answering Jerry BD WTF have I ever said anything about other than several stations here? I know nowt about how stations work in other areas. You are the one making heated and vicious generalizations. I am specific. If you feel insulted, then I have failed to communicate with you. Fortunately thru most of my life I have interacted with perceptive engineering types who have a low temper threshold. You arty types are as sensitive as heated nitroglycerine. Cool it. Jerry "B. D. Colen" wrote: > Well if you have seen a few instances of it in one tv market, Jerry, > then that MUST justify making a blanket statement about all > videographers... ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry > Lehrer > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:58 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] DEADLINE I*AQ -answering Jerry > > Sonny > > A true PJ supplies the story as well as the photos. This is NOT the > case with several San Diego TV stations. And I have seen the case > very close up. > > Jerry > > Sonny Carter wrote: > > > Jerry, > > > > Do not call me Sonny boy. I am polite to you, I expect the same from > > you. > > > > I don't believe you have seen the work close up. I believe you are > > incorrect about the situation there. > > > > Sonny > > > > Monday, November 24, 2003, 7:43:26 PM, you wrote: > > > > JL> Sonny > > > > JL> No, sonny-boy, I have seen how they work here in San Diego. The > > JL> TV > > > JL> cameraman just aims the camera where he/ she is told to. > > > > JL> Your contention may very well be true in other areas. Please > > JL> notice that I said that TV stations HERE, do that. Other places > > JL> do have true PJs. You, very well, may be one of them. > > > > JL> Jerry > > > > JL> Sonny Carter wrote: > > > > >> Monday, November 24, 2003, 5:15:55 PM, you wrote: > > >> > > >> JL> Sonny > > >> > > >> JL> Some TV stations here have the nerve to call the camera > > >> JL> holders > > > >> JL> "Photo Journalists"! All they do is point the camera where > > >> JL> the > > > >> JL> reporter or director tells them to! > > >> > > >> JL> Jerry > > >> > > >> Jerry, > > >> > > >> I like to think you are wrong about that. If you have that > > >> attitude, you denigrate some really fine journalists who happen > > >> to be photographers rather than reporters. > > >> > > >> Many times, the photographer is the one to get the story, a > > >> producer writes it and an anchor reads it. > > >> > > >> That said, in many many markets there is no team, just the > > >> reporter/cameraman (one person) out there doing the job. > > >> > > >> For a number of years, I covered the Louisiana Legislature > > >> without > a > > >> reporter along. I covered the Clay Shaw Trial in New Orleans > without > > >> a reporter. I covered the Black Panther Shoot-out in Desire > > >> Project without a reporter. > > >> > > >> I covered the Christmas Day fire in New Orleans that killed three > > >> firemen without a reporter. > > >> > > >> There were many more instances, but it was more often me showing > > >> the reporter what to do than the other way around. > > >> > > >> Finally, I would tell you that when I worked on the Jim Metcalf > > >> Journal at WWL-TV, I would shoot the piece, and Jim would look at > > >> my film and write the story. For work like that we won one of > > >> Channel 4's several Peabody Awards. > > >> > > >> Sonny > > >> http://www.sonc.com > > >> > > >> JL> Sonny Carter wrote: > > >> > > >> >> Hello Tim, > > >> >> > > >> >> I'd like to point out that in television "Camera operators" > > >> >> designates fixed camera positions, such as you might find in a > > >> >> studio. > > >> >> > > >> >> Although I am no longer in that number, even though we stopped > > >> >> using motion picture film for news coverage, those of us who > > >> >> continued with video camera, continued to call ourselves news > > >> >> photographers. A few use the term "news videographer." > > >> >> > > >> >> I know you want to maintain accuracy. > > >> >> > > >> >> Sonny > > >> >> > > >> >> Monday, November 24, 2003, 4:04:30 PM, you wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> TA> Those of you north of the border (or south who are close > > >> >> TA> enough to it to get > > >> >> TA> CBC) - this is a very compelling documentary about news > gathering in the > > >> >> TA> Ira* Wa*. > > >> >> > > >> >> TA> "These are the stories that weren't't told by the media > > >> >> TA> during the Ira* wa*. CBC NEWS goes straight to the source, > > >> >> TA> to journalists, camera operators and photographers from > > >> >> TA> news > > > >> >> TA> organizations around the world, who reveal the lethal > > >> >> TA> risks they faced, as well as the untold horrors they > > >> >> TA> witnessed." > > >> >> > > >> >> TA> There was a one hour version on last night. The full two > > >> >> TA> hour version is supposed on next Sunday on CBC at 10pm I > > >> >> TA> think. > > >> >> > > >> >> TA> tim > > >> >> > > >> >> TA> -- > > >> >> TA> To unsubscribe, see > > >> >> TA> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Best regards, > > >> >> Sonny mailto:sonc@sonc.com > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> To unsubscribe, see > > >> >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > >> > > >> JL> -- > > >> JL> To unsubscribe, see > > >> JL> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Best regards, > > >> Sonny mailto:sonc@sonc.com > > >> > > >> -- > > >> To unsubscribe, see > > >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > JL> -- > > JL> To unsubscribe, see > > JL> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Sonny mailto:sonc@sonc.com > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html