Re: [Leica] OT - something something and now animals

["Jon" <jon.stanton@comcast.net>]

Sam...You brake for snakes  but what about lawyers?



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From: "sam" <sam@osheaven.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 19:02
Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - something something and now animals


> I believe you are thinking about animals of the same species acting in
> concert when prompted by instinct for the survival of the whole. That is
> not the same thing as human beings saving animals by a conscience act of
> compassion. That we are able to act thus sets us apart from other
> animals, but in no way places a moral obligation to do so.
>
> A few years ago a little boy fell into a gorilla pit and was protected
> by an older female from other gorillas that appeared to want to hurt the
> boy. That was an interesting phenomenon, but it would be pushing it to
> call that a reasoned response, and is not evidence that people and
> animals ought to be treated in the same manner.
>
> I stop my car for wayward animals on the road because I make the
> decision not to hurt creatures needlessly, but I don't extend that
> courtesy to animals used to further research that aids human beings.
> PETA has self-righteously set itself up as the arbiter between the
> rights of animals and humans. I do not accept their determinations
> because I believe they have the relationship between humans and animals
> wrong.
>
> Sam S
>
>
>
> John Collier wrote:
> > While the first statement is undoubtedly true, the second is not true at
> > all; and, ironically, simple and sentimental. There are many cases of
> > animals putting themselves at risk to assist another. So far, whenever
> > humanity is defined by basic actions or ideas, these same things are
> > found in other species. It is better to stick to simpler things when
> > defining species. Also most basic psychoses have also been found in
> > animals as well; at least as far as we are able to tell.
> >
> > John Collier
> >
> > On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 03:00 PM, sam wrote:
> >
> >> The issue is one of power. There is no life form but man that would
> >> suffer to save another life form while placing itself in danger for
> >> doing so. That is exactly why PETA is dangerous. They ply the notion
> >> of equality for life forms to the simple and the sentimental. It's
> >> hard to know why they hold such ridiculous ideas other than that they
> >> suffer from self-hatred--a condition not shared by any other life >
form.
> >
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