Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen

["animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>]

I,d suspect that there are other  reasons for speed.
There might be a limit how long surgery can last anyway.
Everybody makes mistakes constantly.
Even though results of mistakes vary.
You can not blame people,s poor design.
You just have to device procedures to minimize mistakes.
It,s a very interesting complex subject human factors.
The highest number of accidents occur in the home when people make tea.
When distracted it,s very easy to boil two times the amount of water and at
the second to an allready full teapot which can result in horrible burns for
kids below the counter.
While in the past research focused on aviation and the nuclear industries
research has shown the complexity and is now focusing on the more common
household accidents.
simon
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From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen


> Edward--
>
> There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left
> instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the
> incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure
to
> perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also thinking
of
> the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain
> permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork
> sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to  work
with,
> really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to
make
> it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the
human
> side of the subject, you may have some luck.
>
> You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh,
I'd
> love to follow you around and document what you do!
>
> Kit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Edward
> Caliguri
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
>
>
> Thanks Buzz, Tina-
>     With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well
(animals!)
> - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR  - human or
otherwise -
> is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and
photograph.
> I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class
> surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left his
> Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM
> transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when
> someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I think
> that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere
> (children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents of
> 'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope!
> Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales.
>     Ed
>
> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500
> > From: "Buzz Hausner" <buzz.hausner@verizon.net>
> > Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs
> > Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner>
> > References:
> >
> > Well...perhaps and perhaps not.  Ted and Sandy are photographing a book
> > on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all
> > venues where medicine is practiced.  We'll have to wait for a report
> > from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal
> > Intensive Care Unit).  I am certain they will be photographing in the OR
> > because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow.
> >
> > Hospital administrators seem reluctant...stupidly...to permit
> > documentary photography in intensive care units.  This may be from
> > liability jitters, but who knows.
> >
> > Buzz Hausner
>
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