Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/10/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]"insane quasi-religious belief in martyrdom..." What is this, a competition to see who's more ignorant? - -- Rob http://www.robertappleby.com Mobile: (+39) 348 336 7990 Home: (+39) 059 303436 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cahill" <mcahill@laurelgroup.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - Traveling to Canada from US... > While there are the Timothy McVeigh's out there, I think our problem > really comes from Arabic/Farsi speaking dark skinned Muslims, US > citizens or not. You might find it difficult to recruit native (as in > those who were born here) Americans willing to commit suicide by > destroying the World Trade Center by flying a jet into them. Even > McVeigh didn't commit suicide. This type of insane quasi-religious > belief in martyrdom is certainly not a Western idea. Without it 9/11 > wouldn't have happened. At this point the enemy is pretty obvious. > Screen those who fit the profile. > > We have had the same debate here in NJ over racial profiling. A > disproportionate number of blacks have been stopped for traffic > violations. Has anyone even investigated the % of crime committed as > compared to their numbers in the population? You'll find the reason for > the profile in those numbers. But we can't say that, even if it is the > truth, Who wants to be labeled as a "racist"? > > Lastly, I submit to you that the single most profiled group of > individuals in the US aren't black, Latino, female, Asian or any other > ethnic group. They are young white males (17-25) particularly when > traveling in groups. > > MC > > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Rob Appleby wrote: > > > Isn't it evident that it has nothing to do with PC and everything to do > > with > > good security procedures? If you systematically exclude a social group > > from > > your inspections, the bad guys will simply recruit people in the > > excluded > > groups and send them to blow up your planes and cities (assuming the > > threats > > are at all believable - with the exception of 911). The checks have to > > be > > random and spread equally over the entire population to be effective. > > > > You don't have to be Ossama bin Einstein to figure that one out. > > > > -- Rob > > > > http://www.robertappleby.com > > Mobile: (+39) 348 336 7990 > > Home: (+39) 059 303436 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Cahill" <mcahill@laurelgroup.com> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - Traveling to Canada from US... > > > > > >> Here, Here! > >> > >> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:11 AM, Don R. wrote: > >> > >>> Ah, yes. But you see, with PC (PC=Political Correctness) > >>> running rampant government officials must roust everyone, not just > >>> those who > >>> fit the terrorist profile. Thus 90 year old, Anglo-Saxon grandmothers > >>> are > >>> hassled by airport security so the officers will not be scolded for > >>> "racial > >>> profiling." > >>> > >>> In today's America, no one can use common sense. We have become > >>> dumber > >>> than > >>> the most stupid African plains animal. The Wildebeest steers clear of > >>> the > >>> drinking hole when the lions are having a sip. But in America, those > >>> whose > >>> job it is to protect the public safety are prohibited from using > >>> common > >>> sense that would suggest more attention be paid to an unruly mid-east > >>> passenger speaking Farsi than the 90 year old white, Anglo-Saxon > >>> grandmother. > >>> > >>> Until we kick this "liberal" mindset, this type of nonsense will > >>> continue > >>> because it has become the norm. > >>> > >>> Don R. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Michael Cahill" <mcahill@laurelgroup.com> > >>> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:12 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - Traveling to Canada from US... > >>> > >>> > >>>> We were courteous and very understanding, didn't have much of a > >>>> choice. > >>>> I think if I was anything but courteous they would have forced me to > >>>> unload the entire car. The Canadian agents were very polite and > >>>> efficient. I found the U.S. agents were similar to what I've > >>>> encountered with police in small towns in southern New Jersey; a bit > >>>> too > >>>> Rambo-esque toward toward the least dangerous members of society. > >>>> Last > >>>> time I checked middle-aged couples from suburban Philadelphia haven't > >>>> posed much of a security risk. This is the same kind of treatment > >>>> we've > >>>> encountered at airports recently. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 06:53 PM, Dave Richards wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On numerous trips back and forth I have always found the law > >>>>> enforcement people > >>>>> on both sides of the border efficient and polite. They have a > >>>>> dirty, > >>>>> dangerous, > >>>>> generally thankless job and usually do it well in the face of > >>>>> rudeness > >>>>> and arrogance. > >>>>> I have found that courtesy and a little understanding works pretty > >>>>> well. > >>>>> > >>>>> Dave Richards > >>>>> Centennial, Colorado > >>>>> > >>>>>> was in Eastern Canada in August. Had passports, weren't needed. > >>>>>> Two > >>>>>> forms of ID were sufficient. Coming back through to the States we > >>>>>> were > >>>>>> accosted by the Border Patrol. Certain bags in the car were > >>>>>> searched, > >>>>>> questions asked and we were generally made to feel uncomfortable, > >>>>>> something these guys are really good at. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- > >>>>> users/unsub.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > > ________________________________________________________ > The Laurel Group > On-Site Creative Services > > Site Location: > Johnson and Johnson > Consumer Companies > 199 Grandview Road > Skillman, NJ 08558 > 908.874.2978 > mcahill1@cpcus.jnj.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- > >>>> users/unsub.html > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- > >>> users/unsub.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >> > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html