Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/10/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]While there are the Timothy McVeigh's out there, I think our problem really comes from Arabic/Farsi speaking dark skinned Muslims, US citizens or not. You might find it difficult to recruit native (as in those who were born here) Americans willing to commit suicide by destroying the World Trade Center by flying a jet into them. Even McVeigh didn't commit suicide. This type of insane quasi-religious belief in martyrdom is certainly not a Western idea. Without it 9/11 wouldn't have happened. At this point the enemy is pretty obvious. Screen those who fit the profile. We have had the same debate here in NJ over racial profiling. A disproportionate number of blacks have been stopped for traffic violations. Has anyone even investigated the % of crime committed as compared to their numbers in the population? You'll find the reason for the profile in those numbers. But we can't say that, even if it is the truth, Who wants to be labeled as a "racist"? Lastly, I submit to you that the single most profiled group of individuals in the US aren't black, Latino, female, Asian or any other ethnic group. They are young white males (17-25) particularly when traveling in groups. MC On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Rob Appleby wrote: > Isn't it evident that it has nothing to do with PC and everything to do > with > good security procedures? If you systematically exclude a social group > from > your inspections, the bad guys will simply recruit people in the > excluded > groups and send them to blow up your planes and cities (assuming the > threats > are at all believable - with the exception of 911). The checks have to > be > random and spread equally over the entire population to be effective. > > You don't have to be Ossama bin Einstein to figure that one out. > > -- Rob > > http://www.robertappleby.com > Mobile: (+39) 348 336 7990 > Home: (+39) 059 303436 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Cahill" <mcahill@laurelgroup.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - Traveling to Canada from US... > > >> Here, Here! >> >> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:11 AM, Don R. wrote: >> >>> Ah, yes. But you see, with PC (PC=Political Correctness) >>> running rampant government officials must roust everyone, not just >>> those who >>> fit the terrorist profile. Thus 90 year old, Anglo-Saxon grandmothers >>> are >>> hassled by airport security so the officers will not be scolded for >>> "racial >>> profiling." >>> >>> In today's America, no one can use common sense. We have become >>> dumber >>> than >>> the most stupid African plains animal. The Wildebeest steers clear of >>> the >>> drinking hole when the lions are having a sip. But in America, those >>> whose >>> job it is to protect the public safety are prohibited from using >>> common >>> sense that would suggest more attention be paid to an unruly mid-east >>> passenger speaking Farsi than the 90 year old white, Anglo-Saxon >>> grandmother. >>> >>> Until we kick this "liberal" mindset, this type of nonsense will >>> continue >>> because it has become the norm. >>> >>> Don R. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Cahill" <mcahill@laurelgroup.com> >>> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT - Traveling to Canada from US... >>> >>> >>>> We were courteous and very understanding, didn't have much of a >>>> choice. >>>> I think if I was anything but courteous they would have forced me to >>>> unload the entire car. The Canadian agents were very polite and >>>> efficient. I found the U.S. agents were similar to what I've >>>> encountered with police in small towns in southern New Jersey; a bit >>>> too >>>> Rambo-esque toward toward the least dangerous members of society. >>>> Last >>>> time I checked middle-aged couples from suburban Philadelphia haven't >>>> posed much of a security risk. This is the same kind of treatment >>>> we've >>>> encountered at airports recently. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 06:53 PM, Dave Richards wrote: >>>> >>>>> On numerous trips back and forth I have always found the law >>>>> enforcement people >>>>> on both sides of the border efficient and polite. They have a >>>>> dirty, >>>>> dangerous, >>>>> generally thankless job and usually do it well in the face of >>>>> rudeness >>>>> and arrogance. >>>>> I have found that courtesy and a little understanding works pretty >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> Dave Richards >>>>> Centennial, Colorado >>>>> >>>>>> was in Eastern Canada in August. Had passports, weren't needed. >>>>>> Two >>>>>> forms of ID were sufficient. Coming back through to the States we >>>>>> were >>>>>> accosted by the Border Patrol. Certain bags in the car were >>>>>> searched, >>>>>> questions asked and we were generally made to feel uncomfortable, >>>>>> something these guys are really good at. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- >>>>> users/unsub.html >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________________________ The Laurel Group On-Site Creative Services Site Location: Johnson and Johnson Consumer Companies 199 Grandview Road Skillman, NJ 08558 908.874.2978 mcahill1@cpcus.jnj.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- >>>> users/unsub.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica- >>> users/unsub.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html