Re: [Leica] Canon EOS for Leica-style...sorry!

[George Day <george@rdcinteractive.com>]

FOLKS!!!

HOW ABOUT NOT GIVING PEOPLE A HARD TIME BECAUSE OF THEIR POSTS?  HOW ABOUT
NOT LASHING OUT WITH INSULTS AND SCORN AT THE DROP OF A HAT WHEN SOMEONE
DOESN'T MEET YOUR CRITERIA OF LUG PERFECTION?  GROW UP NOW!!!

Simon asked a very fair question.  Some people provided fair answer.  Some
people felt compelled to answer pejoratively.  Please, either be civil or
just don't post.


on 11/12/01 11:56 AM, Sipulmanjones@aol.com at Sipulmanjones@aol.com wrote:

> Simon Pulman-Jones wrote:
>> Does anybody have experience of the Canon EOS 24/1.4 or 85/1.2 lenses? I'm
>> tempted to try them to extend my available light shooting longer and wider,
>> and would be very interested to hear about their quality wide open and any
>> problems of focusing them in low light.
> 
> Mark Rabiner replied:
>> Simon Simon Simon! You pushed my button.
>> You don't post much i checked the archives and you were selling your R8 after
>> running two rolls though it because it didn't work well with your Viso
>> lenses. You love the M system. ?????
> ..then Sonny wrote:
>> I agree with you several hundred percent, Mark. When people blunder
>> their way in here with questions about NikonandCanonsupergeewhizz, I
>> think of a person entering a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and ordering
>> vegetarian.Ouch! I obviously needed to provide a little more context if I
>> wasn't going to get some hearts racing early on a Monday morning:)  I'm sorry
>> Mark, I haven't posted much recently. I've been a regular reader of the LUG
>> for three or four years, and used to contribute a little more a couple of
>> years ago when I had more time. Your efforts to trace me in the archives may
>> have been thwarted by several changes of e-mail address. As I am sure is true
>> for many others on this list, I have learned a huge amount from it over the
>> years in the course of discovering a whole new photographic world. My
>> photography is almost all of people doing stuff indoors. Either my family and
>> friends, or, for my work as an anthropologist working in human-centered
>> design, people going about their business doing stuff or just experiencing
>> stuff in ways that it is my job to 'bring to life' for designers who are
>> designing things for those situations. Leica rangefinders are by far the best
>> tools for t!
> his. This is all familiar territory for the
> LUG - the Leica heartland.
> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> This particular thread (It's not your fault Simon you'd have no way of
>> knowing) 
>> would be less personally annoying of a thread for me if it was prefaced by a
>> vignette about how the ones shots were stunted by lack of 1.4 glass in these
>> particular focal lengths.
>> How that 24mm shot of a million had just a tad to much camera shake or could
>> have benefited from an extreme ultrathin selective focus approach. So near
>> yetso far. Just out of reach.
>> Tell us about the shots you missed!!
>> What made you go shopping?
>> WHY are we talking EOS!?
> For several reasons I need, and prefer, to work in color - which means that I
> use ISO 400 or slower (color grain is nasty), which means that I am more often
> than not shooting at f1.4 at 1/60 - especially early or late in the day.
> Because the people I am photographing are moving about doing things shutter
> speeds shorter than 1/60 start to show significant softness or outright motion
> blur. So lens speed really makes a difference.
> I use the 35 Summilux Asph. and Noctilux, and I also try to wrestle good
> results out of a Summarex, which is pretty hit and miss at f1.5. I'm often
> very close to what's going on and would love to have a wider view than the 35.
> The exposure conditions are still the same, and subject movement is the
> limiting factor on shutter speed, so if it's f1.4 at 1/60 on the 35 Summilux
> that's exactly what I'd need with a 24. Which is why I'm curious about the
> Canon lens.
> Obviously there is more choice for f1.4 at 85 or 90mm. I've never tried the 75
> Summilux - I think it is too close in focal length to the Noctilux to make
> enough difference for me. With subject movement being a major limiting factor
> on shutter lens speed makes a big difference - hence my curiosity about the
> Canon 85/1.2.
> So, Mark,  I would love a 24 or 90 Summilux Asph. - and that's why I'm curious
> about the two Canon lenses as ways of getting something done that I can't
> quite get done now. I feel the same way as you about the design ethos, the
> aesthetics and the use characteristics of the EOS system - but in this
> situation the possibilities of the Canon glass are interesting.
> One other possibility that I have been thinking about is using a 90 Apo Asph.
> as if it were an f1.4 lens. (I don't have the 90 Apo Asph.) I'd be interested
> in what people think about this. Could it be possible that, given it's
> superior contrast and resolution, the 90 Apo Asph would be a viable
> alternative to ordinary mortal 80/85mm f1.4 lenses - even though it would have
> to under-expose a full stop in order to compete?  This is something I'd love
> to try. I have a feeling the 90 Apo under exposed on stop would easily
> outperform the Summarex properly exposed at f1.5 - not a huge challenge.
> Simon Pulman-Jones
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