Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/08/07

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Subject: Re: [Leica]So long, Flare, we overknew ye.... was Shadow boxing
From: ralph fuerbringer <>
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:20:43 -0400

  sincd ed meyers hides behind a magnum name with his flare infatuation i'm
offering one in rebuttal. philip jones-griffiths is not just a photographer
of equal repute but is a technician without an equal among magnum
photograpers.  i once asked Philip Jones-Griffiths whether to get the
preflashing attachment for the bowens famous slide copier. he said it was
not just valueless but a handicap. he was doing or supervising (president of
magnum at the time) tons of slide copying. if preflashing w/precise control
is a handicap in a labratory setup what does
the degrading imput of flare from an uncoated lens add to an outdoor
portrait? meyers and wulff claim this is why the preflashing effect works:
flare is so pushy and fast it gets to your film before your actual picture!

> From: "Henning J. Wulff" <>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:45:04 -0700
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shadow boxing
> At 4:01 PM -0400 8/7/00, Craig Roberts wrote:
>> "The flare helps to get to that threshold so it takes slightly less image
>> exposure to show up as density." - Ed
>> Hmmmm.  Thank you, Ed, but this sounds...almost smoke and
>> mirrors, or a sophisticated practical joke.  I prefer not to think about it
>> any longer.  My brain hurts.
>> Craig
>> "I wonder if they know about this at MIT" Boston
> Believe it. That's the way it works. Whether with mercury vapours, airport
> x-rays, pre-flashing or flare. Once you get past that initial step, you
> have a bit more sensitivity. The astronomy folks have done it for years, in
> a very controlled fashion.
> As far as lenses are concerned, give me the flare free ones anyday. Just
> like with some other problems earlier lenses had, you can raise your base
> fog in various ways if you so desire, but getting rid of flare when you
> don't want it doesn't happen (at least if it obscures or reduces detail).
> *            Henning J. Wulff
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