Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/10/14

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Subject: Re-2: Leicas and SLRs from Leitz
From: creadick@mindspring.com (Nowell Creadick)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:08 -0400 (EDT)

If it's been said a thousand times here excuse me but I  cannot resist
making a couple of points here....we do all have our thresholds and mine is
shutter sound/feel/noise.  My Leicaflexes (shutters) are like a Brahms
symphony compared to my FM's clacking clanging punk rock crash and noise.
And the lens point I think belongs at the top of the reasons  rather than
looking like an afterthought at the end.  I also much! prefer the match
needle meter to lights and see absolutely no difference in loading
convenience....well maybe that damn flush button with the slide is wierd. I
also always feel like I have to tear the innards of the camera apart to get
the film leader to leave its spool (in the 'flex).  Am I not inserting it
correctly?  That's what my wife says.  (couldn't resist)

>Sorry, Marvin, I forgot:
>
>To me, a 20 y old Nikon FM is a better SLR than a R Leica or Leicaflex
>(except for the bright screen and the 1/2000, but still better in total):
>smaller, loading system is better, highly reliable, more comfortable
>lightmeter sytem (in her time, and - for me - till today), and a very
>reliable mechanical shutter. And, if I could give names to SLRs, I would
>call or name the Nikon FM as a fine example of a R Leica, not those Leitz
>GmbH products. On the other side, this statement is not true for several R
>lenses.
>
>Alf
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>At 04:04 14.10.1997 -0400, you wrote:
>> Sehr gut Alf -
>>  You are saying what I said last June, that you don't consider the "R"
>> to be a true classic Leica but merely an excellent German SLR, and
>> I nearly got my throat cut by Ben Holmes & other "R" users.  Even on
>> the LUG, everyone has a right to his opinion & I dont consider a front
>> engine Porsche to be a true classic Porsche either but it only a matter
>> of semantics.  Many Leica RF & Porsche rear engine devotees feel the
>> same way and that is what Horse Racing Wagering is all about. There
>> is a lot of space between here and there so as my niece used to say -
>> "Shoot for the moon and even though you miss - you'll land on a star".
>>
>> ****************************Marvin Moss
>>In a message dated 97-10-14 03:38:04 EDT, you write:
>><<
>> Marvin,
>>  that's exactly what I'm talking about. You used a SLR, not a Leica. The
>> winders are different. And, a Leica has a viewfinder, no screen. Screen
>> problems might occur, if you use a SLR from Leitz GmbH or try to switch a
>> Leica into a SLR e.g. by the Visoflex.
>>  Alf
>> ----------------------------------
>> At 01:26 14.10.1997 -0400, you wrote:
>> >In a message dated 97-10-14 01:06:00 EDT, you write:
>> ><<
>> > Gosh !
>> >  If you would use a Leica and not a SLR from some Leitz GmbH,
>> > you wouldn't have problems.
>> >================================================
>> >  Alf - I don't understand what you are telling me.  My problem was
>> > my heavy finger pressure on my wifes R7 nicht my M6, and it has
>> > already been solved thanks to Ted & Jim.
>> >================================================
>> > It's the same with screens: you don't have screen problems if
>> > you use a Leica.
>> >================================================
>> >  Alf - Leica makes many screens and there is one to please everyone.
>> >================================================
>> >  Marvin Moss
>> >
>> > :)
>> >  Alf
>> >  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > At 23:06 12.10.1997 -0700, Jim wrote:
>> > >At 12:44 AM 10/13/97 -0400, Marvin wrote:
>> > >>   I don't use a winder myself on my Leicas since I use RF versions only
>> > >> but my wife does on her R7s.  On the few times that I have used hers,
>> >
>> > >You are using the wrong release button. Don't use the button on the
>> >
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