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Subject: [Leica] [OM] IMG: How can you get a dirty sensor with a camera that does not have interchangeable lenses?
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:46:26 +0200
References: <7468D6CE-EDDB-4F91-AAC0-0D3B16E346CA@frozenlight.eu> <B3FE1431-F3E1-4990-9ED7-6227A67F2096@gmail.com> <CAOQd94MaVTanhwXZqX5XSdeXjt4M63k3u+b9duvm4aW8yEb4=Q@mail.gmail.com> <5b15e6d5-e0f7-51ee-e9e7-3353da483b21@chucknorcutt.com>

Thanks, Chuck (and others who commented). The camera is not labelled or 
marketed as weatherproof and since I live in a place that is very dry and 
often windy, it is highly likely that a grain of dust got inside the camera. 
I very much doubt that Panasonic would fix this under warranty (the camera 
is out of warranty anyway), so I will just live with it and remove the spot 
in LR when it is bothersome (as it is in the example I posted).

Thanks again to all.

Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
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> On 24 Jun 2016, at 14:21, Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt at chucknorcutt.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> On the contrary, I would expect the camera to be sealed precisely because 
> the sensor cannot be cleaned without at least partially disassembling the 
> camera.
> 
> The spot looks exactly like many such spots I've seen on my Canon 5D. So I 
> also assume it's dust on the sensor.  Proof that it's dust on the sensor 
> would be to take successive photos of clear blue sky from wide open to 
> fully closed down.  At the LX-100's maximum aperture of f/1.7-2.8 the dust 
> bunny may be invisible or nearly so as a very light gray cloud.  As the 
> aperture closes down its shape will be more distinct (as in the image 
> below) and it will get much darker.
> 
> I consider it a manufacturing defect.  Either the inside wasn't perfectly 
> dust free when it was made or dust/debris has been generated by friction 
> of mechanical motion such as by the shutter mechanism.
> 
> In any case I would expect a warranty repair... even it it's beyond the 
> normal warranty period.  Adverse publicity to the hundreds or thousands of 
> avid photographers on multiple lists is probably not a good thing for 
> Panasonic.
> 
> Finally, the do it yourself guide:
> <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Disassembling+Panasonic+LUMIX+DMC-LX100/55603>
> 
> Chuck Norcutt
> 
> 
> On 6/24/2016 4:38 AM, Chris Weir wrote:
>> Dirt could get in through the gaps - I don't think that is a sealed 
>> camera.
>> Or more likely a flake of paint or other internal debris.
>> Chris
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at 
>> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Were it not repeated on other files I'd vote for a bird on that one.
>>> 
>>> Now, it might be a speck that moved inside and might move again, shake it
>>> baby.
>>> It will have to go back to Solms New Tokyo in any case I'm afraid
>>> 
>>> Amities
>>> Philippe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 24 juin 2016 ? 09:20, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> a 
>>> ?crit :
>>> 
>>>> I noticed a while ago that images taken with my Panasonic LX 100 have a
>>> smudge in the upper right part of the image:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-Db2WtZM/A
>>>> 
>>>> Since the camera does not have interchangeable lenses, I did not expect
>>> dirt on the sensor, but that is apparently what it is?I see nothing on 
>>> the
>>> front element of the lens. And of course since I cannot take the lens 
>>> off,
>>> I cannot clean the sensor either. So I guess I am reduced to either
>>> cropping away the offending part of the image, or using the tools in LR 
>>> to
>>> get rid of the smudge.
>>>> 
>>>> Still, very annoying. Have others experienced something similar with
>>> this type of camera?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nathan
>>>> 
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws <
>>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ <
>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator <
>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>> YNWA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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