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Subject: [Leica] Leica lenses on Sony A7
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 07:14:02 -0800
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Bob Adler has stated that the dynamic range of the M far exceeds ( 2 stops?)
the M9, and closely approaches his Phase 1 MF back.

But back to the main discussion.....  If the camera is applying corrections
to the image, rather than a computer, aren't the same issues at play?  To
theory, yes.  In practice, the microlenses take away part of the problem....
As Adler's shot of the Caf? shows, even at 21mm, there is some vignetting
left, even on a M body. 

The sensor in the M9 ( and M8 and M) all have (M lens) tuned microlenses to
help with the vignetting...... You will not get these in a non-Leica camera
body. 
Of course, the amount of need of vignetting correction is dependent on your
lenses... if you shoot a lot of 21mm, then it is handy that the microlenses
are there.  If you shoot at a minimum of 35mm, not so important..... and at
50mm and longer, not important.

Personally, I do not find the vignetting issue a game killer.  You can
correct it.  You can live with it, and for 150 years, it was not only
uncorrectable, but desirable as part of the physical picture "frame".   And
again, it depends on your scene..... sometimes having the corners a bit
darker is a real annoyance..... sometimes it makes not an iota of difference
and adds to the ambience of the scene.

The A7r is the camera Leica should be concerned with.... You may not call it
a RF camera, but it represents the best of the RF camera genre..... Small,
full featured, high resolution sensor (36MP), stealthy (? Not so sure yet,
but the M9 is no Rollei TLR either in the noisy department), has real
advantages in focus when in darkened lighting, reliable from the standpoint
of small number of mechanical parts to go out of calibration, and best of
all, it looks through the lens, and can use Leica (M or R) glass.  If the
focus peaking is good (jury is still out), it is a killer solution to the M
and many DSLR cameras.

Leica, if you are listening:  The M Type 240 is going to have its lunch
eaten because of this camera and others that will follow it.  

Go make an EVF only M camera.  The competition is changing the market......

Frank Filippone
Red735i at verizon.net


If you needed to increase the exposure in the main part of the field by say
two stops for every exposure and apply a colour correction you would
appreciate that the correction comes at a cost of dynamic range, tonal depth
and noise performance for example. It's happening in the corners for every
frame with wides on the M9. Does it matter in practice??? yeah no maybe
depends ;-)

In the case of the M9, I can comment that the amount of correction with
wider lenses is quite significant to achieve the desired result at all. I
was a firmware tester for the system.

The M is another discussion. I just recovered a few poor exposures that were
two stops or more under (albeit minimum ISO) with excellent
results...remarkable.
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/153233601







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