Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/02/02

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Subject: [Leica] eBay- new rules
From: ericm at pobox.com (Eric)
Date: Sat Feb 2 18:16:15 2008
References: <002001c86343$eb4119d0$6401a8c0@xyw>

>One of the changes is that sellers will no longer be allowed to leave 
>feedback for buyers. 

I would be leery of selling anything of value on Ebay *and* accepting
Paypal.  My understanding is that Ebay owns Paypal, so in essence, they are
one and the same.

I had an issue in the past where Paypal arbitrarily froze my funds.
Eventually got them back, but they shouldn't have the right to do that.
Paypal isn't a bank.  You have none of the protections of a bank.

A friend of ours was recently scammed on ebay.  She was selling one of her
daughter's dresses.  Noticed that the buyer was selling the identical dress,
using the identical picture as the one being bought.  Thought it was weird
and got a bad vibe.  Sure enough, the lady complained about the dress being
ripped and soiled, and wanted a partial refund.  Our friend said the dress
was fine, and she'd refund the lady's money if she returned the dress.  The
buyer filed with paypal for a refund.  And sent an empty package pack.  The
package didn't weigh nearly enough to contain anything.  So our friend asked
the postal clerk to open it there on the spot.  Just a piece of paper
saying, "Thanks for the free dress."  Paypal refunded our friend's money
back to the fraudulent buyer.  Her recourse, according to Paypal?  File a
police report.  Not their problem.  It wasn't worth that much hassle, so our
friend let it drop.  Not worth the anger it was causing her.  And so ebay
keeps another dishonest buyer.  Good thing buyers soon won't even have to
fear negative feedback.

If ebay didn't own paypal, I'd say this is a Paypal issue.  But it's an ebay
one, too.  Ebay = paypal.

Seems like a no brainer.  Yes, the thief provided a proof of mailing to
Paypal.  But the return postage was for one ounce.  Not many dresses can be
mailed for that.  Doesn't seem like it takes anybody with common sense to
see there is fraud going on, and that the buyer shouldn't get to keep the
goods plus get a refund.  Based on this, I don't believe the people in
charge at either paypal or ebay have that much needed common sense.

Be careful.  This all just happened within the past month.



--
Eric
http://canid.com/

In reply to: Message from alal at duke.poly.edu (A. Lal) ([Leica] eBay- new rules)