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Subject: [Leica] Leica Digilux 2 @ 1600 :-)
From: tedgrant at (Ted Grant)
Date: Sun Sep 5 07:13:48 2004
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B. D. Colen offered:
Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica Digilux 2 @ 1600 :-)

> The problem with it is that noise is always worse in underexposed areas
> of images - even at low isos. And by under exposing the entire image 2
> stops, to say nothing of the darkest areas...On the other hand, as
> Daniel notes, it's a good technique when there is no alternative. Which
> is really what shooting at 1600 or 3200 with film are all about.

Hi B.D.,
I understand the push factors in film and the way it looks at times. And
between you and Henning explaining the digital camera information I
understand what you're saying and the effect I should see.

However, what I'm not seeing in the B&W 11.7X16.5 prints of yesterday is the
effect of what you're explaining! The "noise-grain" appearance isn't there.
Honestly! Or if it is, it's not any worse than looking at Tri-x at 800.

Even the colour I shot in the BC Skydome during a night CFL professional
football game. The "grain-noise" factor was completely negligible.

When I levelled and curved the football images back to "normal appearance"
the whites in the ball players uniforms were "clean white" and the
artificial turf of the playing field looked like clean green grass. The fans
in the stands had acceptable skin colour.

Either I'm doing something I'm not aware I'm doing and getting these results
or quite probably I need to shoot far more material under these conditions
and setting to see how bad it's supposed to look. And to this point of
discovery of the 2 stop push over the past couple of days I'm not having the
least problem with the print quality results shooting by "available digital
light." And not looking any different than pushed film.

I'll try to shoot more over the weekend in this pushed mode and get back to


In reply to: Message from bdcolen at (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] Leica Digilux 2 @ 1600 :-))