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Subject: RE: [Leica] scanning dark scala question(flatbed)
From: "Don Dory" <>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:31:05 -0500


This machine was doing some very nice work at PMA.  4800dpi scans with
improved density range should do the trick for most uses medium format
through 4X5.  It also looks like it would do better than most for 35mm
in limited enlargements.

As to looking at negatives, I share your pain.


- -----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of animal
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] scanning dark scala question(flatbed)

I have a lot more trouble getting pleasing tones from print film .
Even after all this time my PS skills are practically non existent.
also i like the discipline with slide film of less latitude which
ios not so hard to overcome with long lenses.And last i,m no good in
negatives on a lighttable .
I,m still waiting to buy an afordable scanner for 4x5 and from what you
occasionally thought these 3200 ppi scanners are not bad at all maybe
enough to scan a whole 36mm roll for web presentation in one go.I did
know that the fast photo shops used non optical means to produce the
Thanks again for the clarification.
simon jessurun

> Simon,
> You have raised an interesting question on a number of levels.  Making
> scan of a print would make it a third generation image which
> definitionally (off the diatribe, English is such a good language to
> make up words) would be inferior.  Why not just scan the TCN?  A
> lab is probably using a digital printer which is doing a scan at just
> enough resolution to make the print size selected.  Another deficit of
> digital printer is that the print is made of very small dots from the
> lasers employed.  In other words, they don't scale up very well in
> re-scanning.
> Assuming that you have a pro-lab make an optical print to your
> specifications to be used on a flatbed then theoretically you have a
> poorer image but in the real world, depending on the relative skill
> levels involved you could have a superior outcome.
> I think a better question to ask is why am I shooting Scala?  In the
> days of slide shows and AD's with light boxes then a B&W slide film
> sense as you were dealing with a first generation image: using a B&W
> slide film to make prints seems counter-intuitive to me.  I know that
> both you and Nathan do/did not have a darkroom so it was a method of
> getting where you wanted to go, but why not shoot B&W negative film?
> OK, Scala does have a very unique signature so artistic requirements
> come into play.
> Unfortunately, all of the above is why digital is the dominate capture
> method now.  Very few people have the time to devote to developing and
> printing that we all devoted not so long ago.
> Back to your question, a small machine print would be a poor choice to
> scan.  If you had a large machine print made then that frequently
> work out with good results.  If you have a lab near you that uses a
> digital printer whether it is the Fuji, Noritsu, or Agfa, why not have
> them scan several of your Scala slides to CD?  If you ask them to
> the levels to something besides black you might get a surprisingly
> scan for under 10 Euro.
> Sorry for wandering so much.
> Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of animal
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:48 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] scanning dark scala question(flatbed)
> > Simon,
> > If you can see separation in the darker tones of your Scala images
> then
> > you can get that information out.  Find a friend with the new Nikon
> > 5000, turn off ICE, turn on at least 8 times sampling, make sure the
> > machine is in 16bit mode, adjust the preview using the curves and
> levels
> > dialogue box to get a close approximation of the image you want to
> > but do make sure that the darkest areas do not go below 5,5,5 and
> > the image.
> >
> > If you have just one or two images that are especially valuable to
> > then pay a pro to scan on a drum or on an Imacon.  A third
> > would be to find someone with an old Leaf scanner; that device can
> find
> > detail in very thick slides.
> >
> > You will be pleasantly surprised what the new scanners will pull out
> of
> > an image.
> >
> > Don
> >
> Forgot to ask .If one would use a film like tcn and had small prints
> made
> from a lab and then scanned these on a 3200 flatbed would the result
> better or worse in general?
> simon jessurun
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