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Subject: Re: Pixel resolution for 8x10 was: Re: [Leica] Reasons to use film
From: "animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:09:44 +0100
References: <222EF606-6556-11D8-8D1F-0003938C439E@btinternet.com>

Hope you don,t find this question to forward but anyway here goes
How old are you and do you have good eyes?
s

> You should try it for yourself, even with a loupe the difference 
> between 300 dpi and 600 dpi is not great, I use 300.
> Frank
> 
> On Sunday, February 22, 2004, at 03:27  pm, animal wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Frank Dernie wrote:
> >>>  Does one often need/fully exploit the potential of 35mm film on a
> >>> Leica? I only exploited the full potential in the darkroom on my
> >>> biggest prints, most of the time the resolution superiority was just
> >>> wasted on a print of only 10x8".
> >>
> >> It is generally excepted that 360 ppi is a reasonable maximal printing
> >> resolution, that is increasing printing resolution beyond this does 
> >> not
> >> generally yield better prints. Assuming an 8x10" print, that is 10
> >> megapixels. Consequently, although 8x10s can look fine with 6
> >> megapixels, the optimal resolution for 8x10 is 10 megapixel (assuming
> >> zero cropping).
> >>
> >> Thats for an unmanipulated image, if you are going to run USM etc. on
> >> the image it is a good idea to start with a higher resolution -- to
> >> minimize the introduction of digital processing/blocking artifacts.
> >> That is why I scan at ~40 megapixels.
> >>
> >> The other issue is the difference between shape and distribution of
> >> pixels vs. film grains. Rectangular pixels when enlarged are not
> >> pleasing to the eye. Film grains have a more irregular shape and more
> >> random spatial distribution and when visible are *much much* more
> >> pleasing. That's why photoshop filters exist to *add* the appearance 
> >> of
> >> film grain to digital images, and why it is often recommended to *add*
> >> gaussian noise to a digital image ... this "randomness" (which is a
> >> characteristic of film) reduces the appearance of digital "blocking"
> >> artifacts.
> >>
> >> Enlarged film grain is very often not a terrible problem -- that is 
> >> why
> >> folks like Tri-X and can accept 35mm enlargements of 16x20 or greater.
> >>
> >> On the other extreme, if you need to be convinced about the potential
> >> benefits of higher resolution, look at a good 8x10 contact print (i.e.
> >> from an 8x10 negative). As much as I like my Leica, these 8x10s have a
> >> characteristic look that cannot be equaled in smaller formats. I can't
> >> explain the neural physiology or physics behind it, but it just *looks
> >> different*.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> --
> > Well, i have read that good eyes can easily spot the difference upto 
> > 600
> > dpi.So my guess is that if people can get close to let,s say an
> > architecturial photo they,ll spot the difference.Probably as long as 
> > the
> > viewing angle is the same as it was with the camera it wont 
> > matter.simon
> > jessurun
> >
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In reply to: Message from Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com> (Re: Pixel resolution for 8x10 was: Re: [Leica] Reasons to use film)