Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Just to put a different bend to this - The Digital Rebel!? Better check out the new Nikon D70, it eats the digital rebel for breakfast! Everyone complained about the M7 turn on time of a few seconds, what about the digital rebel? It has a 3 second turn on time!! The new Nikon D70 is Instant On - Zero Delay! The D70 has continuous firing rate in normal (read low to medium) resolution of up to 177 frames where everyone else is maybe 12 There are other features which are more important that also out perform the digital rebel also including the packaged lens. the EOS 1D Mk II? Ok it has 2 Mpix more than the 1D, but still a 1.5 factor for lenses and does not equal the 1Ds or the Kodak 14 cameras but this is ok to you guys/gals? Why not put the same criteria you use for Leica? You seem to be able to live and love these other products, but if Leica gets the plastic seal around the box containing the camera not quite sealed there is a major flap about quality control etc. As Ted put it, we need to wait until the digital M is out or near market before we dump on it as a total waste of engineering time. Gene "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent by: cc: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo Subject: RE: [Leica] Digital Bessa, NOT -alto.ca.us 02/16/2004 08:31 AM Please respond to leica-users It may not be out until early next year? As in 10 months from now - versus what will probably be 3-5 years for Leica? BTW, no one has said that this is to be a full-frame CCD, and if it's not, producing it becomes much less complicated. I'm most amused by the assumption that this will be a $2000 dog, which won't upset people as much as a $5000 Leica dud - I don't know about you, Don, but I'd be pretty pissed off if I bought a $2000 lemon. But I don't know where the $2000 comes from - I'd guess around $1000. We're talking no lens, an already existing body, and less than a full-frame sensor; look at the price of the Canon digital Rebel. And while I'm responding to this one - As to the comment yesterday about the Digilux II - what you've described is a grossly overpriced dog - 400 iso with "acceptable" noise; to get serious results you need to shoot raw and over expose by one to two stops; an acceptable viewfinder; and a price tag of almost $2000? That's an insult to consumers, not a Leica. Sure, it looks and feels like an M, but read your own description, and then read what people have always said about Leicas and quality - there is a world-class disconnect here. Also, the suggesting that a sensor this size is turning out 16x20s equal in quality to those produced with identical iso 2 1/4 film from Kodak and Fuji is laughable. Tri-x 35, why not? But the question is - who produced the prints? Where did they produce them? And how did they produce them? Forget the tradeshow demonstrations - look for some real world results and reviews. B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Don Dory Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 11:25 PM To: Leica-Users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: [Leica] Digital Bessa, NOT I saw the display in an acrylic tower. Something locked up in acrylic is not going to be available in 6 weeks. I talked to a very reliable source and there is no expectation of a new body in even 6 months. New lens(es) yes, a digital body no. Speculate all you want about how awful Leica is, but there is not going to be a digital Bessa available this year. Could Cosina get one out by very early next year, possibly. Please bear in mind that there are very few foundries that sell chips outside their interest group. Sony, Kodak, Kyocera, Micron, Mitsubishi, Phillips and possibly one or two more. For the most part, production is spoken for, especially on the better chips. Say you want a generic 3MP CMOS then you can buy all you want, especially in the smaller sizes. But if you don't have technology or some other interesting trade then you are not going to get any chips APS size or larger. So, what does Cosina have to offer Sony? A digital Bessa would only be of interest if the magnification factor is in the 1.5 ratio or smaller. That leaves Kodak and Panasonic as suppliers. I don't think there are going to be too many extra 6MP chips available as the D70 is going to suck a whole lot of those out of the pipeline as well as the istD and maybe the Minolta which was also announced. Also please consider that Cosina has a lot of optical expertise and not a lot of electronic ability, just like Leica. Therefore they also need a partner. A more rational thought is that both Cosina and Leica will use the same equipment set: they would both need similar custom low pass filters that also redirect light back to vertical for the wide lenses. Cosina could be the beta tester of similar technology as people would not be as bent out of shape with a $2000 lemon as a $5000 dud Leica. 0.02 Don dorysrus@mindspring.com - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html