Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]John - reread Rabiner's Rabid Redux :) Found it interesting as you did - - Mark I agree with much of what you have written about. On the other hand I too have fallen under the spell of digital and present for amusement http://www.enitka.com/colorado.html taken with digital elph. I still love my M but sometimes digital is ok. The new leica digital is too much $. The elph plus my Apple iBook are the same as the digilux. I'll stick with my combo ernie enitka@twcny.rr.com Ernestnitka@aol.com www.enitka.com On Feb 4, 2004, at 9:07 AM, John Collier wrote: > Mark is one of the hidden gems of the LUG. At first as a new > subscriber to the Leica "equipment" list you do not understand where > he is coming from. You find yourself puzzling on what the heck he is > talking about. Then you suddenly realize he is, and only ever is, > talking about photography. Mountains of cold bright sliver and nebula > sized dye clouds firmly affixed to film and paper are what interests > him. > > It keeps me quiet for a while and has me only commenting on what I > know and wishing it was more than it is. > > John Collier > > On Feb 4, 2004, at 5:00 AM, sam wrote: > >> I almost skimmed & passed your post because it is long. I'm glad I >> read the whole thing through. It's going into my save box. >> >> Sam S >> >> >> >> Mark Rabiner wrote: >>> This of course is a real pain in the ass thing to say on the Leica >>> Users >>> List but when this kind of post happens I wonder and my question >>> often has >>> been this in effect: >>> How much died? >>> Was he a great person with a great future? A great loss? >>> How tragic of a thing are we really talking about here? >>> Perhaps this person was slight and is finally being put to of a long >>> drawn >>> out misery. >>> We should cry a whole lot less maybe. >>> Are we having a big funeral for what lets face it had been a fairly >>> small >>> commitment in the first place? I hope not! >>> Had they been in their darkroom cranking out 16x20's every weekend >>> and now >>> they're ratcheting out even more exquisite reams of A3's instead as >>> they >>> answer their email? >>> Had they been shooting a brick of Kodachrome every week but now >>> wearing a >>> necklace of compact flash cards around their neck like dog tags? >>> When you see a post like this it strongly implies the PROCESS let >>> them down. >>> Has been proved mediocre. >>> The new one is taking over as it reigns supreme. >>> This implies strongly the strength in the new technology and the >>> weakness in >>> the old. >>> But when I ask if I get an answer it's amazingly often a sheepish >>> "No they'd >>> not really been using their cameras that much anyway for quite some >>> time. >>> The darkroom had been sitting mainly dormant. >>> They have no real body of work >>> No stack of prints to show friends when they come over. >>> No "book" as in prints stuck in pages. >>> No tray (round of 80 slides to stick on a projector). Or Pages of >>> slides or >>> in boards. >>> No website. >>> Nothing uploaded much of anywhere. >>> Not much of nothin. >>> They are 4x6" once every month or so minilab for the most part >>> people. >>> So I wonder; How much Tri X had he been shooting?. >>> ...Before giving it up for charge coupled devices. >>> Did they have so much Dektol in your blood that now they're going to >>> go cold >>> turkey? !! >>> I'm just guessing no - >>> It's a new hobby to replace one that wasnąt really there. >>> Two dozen lenses? That's a sure clue. >>> Of the two dozen pro's I know personally locally and globally none >>> of them >>> come close to using or owning Two dozen Leica lenses for their >>> shooting that >>> I can think of. >>> Is this the death of a Leica shooter? >>> Because it just sounds like a funeral for a Leica collector or Leica >>> buyer >>> and seller. A Leica dabbler. >>> 24 lenses! >>> That's 3 times 8! >>> 4 times 6! >>> Enough glass for 3 4 5 6 committed Leica shooters! >>> How anyone can look me straight in the face and put out the phrase >>> "Canon >>> Rebel with the $100 18-55mm lens." as a balance of some kind against >>> a more >>> than abundant setup of Leica gear is beyond me!!! What could be the >>> correlation between one of those cheap plastic zoom lenses and any >>> Leica >>> glass ever made including wale blubber incrusted? >>> ...A "Rebel" against an M or R? How do they in any way relate? >>> Opposites perhaps? That's pretty simple actually! >>> But as I said earlier when someone says they're going digital now I >>> say: >>> "Really how lovely!!!" >>> "Lets look at your prints!!!!!!" >>> I love to see how the two technologies compare. >>> I LOVE to see how the new A3's (11.7x16.5") and letter sized prints >>> stack up >>> against the old thick 11x14's and 8x10's. >>> They stick out on all sides by about 3/4s of an inch and get all >>> crinkled at >>> the edges that's how! >>> I think plenty of people who struggled in the darkroom do fine at >>> their >>> computer. Maybe printing now for the first time. >>> But also very much visa versa. >>> They are just tools put into the hands of the unskilled and >>> uncommitted to >>> produce very casual results. Hopefully to be traded for something >>> else >>> sooner than later. 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