Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/19

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Film is not dead!
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:36:25 -0500

Speaking of parties...I have to say that when it comes to something like
shooting party crap, digital is KING...For the past five years I take
out my hearing aids and hide behind my camera at the company Xmas
party...I've always previously shot film - either color neg, or black
and white, with Leicas and Nikons. Then, if color, we send out a zillion
rolls, get 4x6s from a 60 minute lab, and let people fight over the
prints. Or, if b&w, I get the film processed, end up scanning maybe the
best 20 images, and then get bored with the whole thing. So this year I
shot digital for the first time. And yesterday, when I got back from NY,
I down loaded about 250 images, burned them on a CD, and shipped it off
to our IS guy, who is putting them up on the Intranet, and anyone can
pull down whatever large jpgs they want and do with them what they
will...I'm happy, the party goers are happy - and the whole damn thing
is over and done with.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with quality, etc., but it sure
makes life easier. ;-)

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Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:23 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Film is not dead!



In a message dated 12/19/03 8:30:13 AM, bdcolen@earthlink.net writes:

<< And, even if I'm wrong about
that, once a camera is sold, it is "out there in the world;" that
doesn't mean it continues to be used - it may well be sitting on a
shelf, supplanted by whatever digital it's owner has purchased. >>

 My experience watching my friends shoot is that it doesn't matter
whether 
it's digital or film.  With film the camera only came out for special
occasions. 
 And then, they would only take a few shots!   So it would take 2 or 3
or 4 
months to get one roll developed.  (the exception is new parents.  they
shoot 
everything, including the baby's first movement, second, third, etc).
Anyway 
a number of my friends have moved to digital.  Faster they say.  So
okay, 
special occasion comes and instead of 6 shots it's now 20 but it goes
like this, 
"Okay everyone smile for the camera."  shot taken.  Shot reviewed.
Frown. Shot 
not good enough.  "Okay everyone, smile for the camera, take 2," and so
on 
until the crowd revolts and refuses to pose for anymore shots.  The
inertia to 
get the photos upload and developed is still the same.  It's like
there's a 
force field at the photo/digital lab that they're afraid to cross.  And
I've yet 
to have someone leave the party to download and print the shots (so it's
not 
like a polaroid) but have received some jpgs.  In the old days I might
get a 
copy of a print.  Now I get a jpg and gotta pay for a print myself.
Sucks.  And  
I have to say, I'm very good about my cyber file system of stuff I've
gotten 
from other people.  I have a whole folder of shots that say stuff like 
"Jeffsmkbowl" which can either refer to Jeff smoking pot or Jeff rakuing
a pot.  Most 
are more obscure than that.  jsp14new1a.jpg......whatever that refers
to.

All I'm saying is that with my friends, their mindset isn't to document
an 
event the way a photographer would nor are they typically using the
camera for 
fine art.  A couple shots here, a couple there, film, digital, it's
pretty much 
the same.  The fact that they can get a digital file onto a T-shirt
hasn't 
really rocked their world other than one who does their own scanned
artwork in 
photoshop and translates that into digital output.  glicee was the hot
term, 
which really means what in french?  So instead of hearing them bitch
about film 
processing costs, I get to hear about clogged inkjet heads or the cost
of 
printer cartridges, etc etc.   

I have to say one recent interesting development is that of the last 4 
parties I've been to, several trends....1) forget digital point and
shoots..at 
parties (especially ones with dancing and various stages of undress)
people were 
shooting cell phone cameras everywhere,  2) polaroid.  retro and cool.
kinda 
like party favours, used to create instant buzz and   3) disposable 
cameras...lots of black and white.  Handed out to guests at the party,
the idea being that 
if you're not having to pay for the camera or the development costs,
that 
you're going to go crazy with pushing that shutter.  

It must be crazy times for anyone involved in the film/imaging biz.  So
many 
options, so many fickle consumers going off in ways you might not have
ever 
imagined.


Kim
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