RE: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Allow me to throw a rotten tomato into this discussion and suggest that
self-promotion has been an important aspect of the successful artists
repertoire not for the last several decades, but rather for the last
millennium. Do you really think that the successful artists of the
renaissance weren't inveterate self-promoters? Obviously the
self-promotion took different forms - sucking up to rich princes,
sleeping with rich princesses, etc., but it's always been part of the
game. Virtually any artist who wanted to sell work in his or her
life-time, rather than wait to be discovered after death, had to be a
self-promoter.

B. D.

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Saganich,
Christopher/Medical Physics
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:18 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers


Yes, self-promotion has been incorporated into art and this has been
going on for decades.  It is the only proper art form in what some call
this post modern age.  I can't think of any well any know artists who's
art isn't 1st self promotion with a bit of paint or photo thrown in, and
the really good artists have actually shown us something about ourselves
and the world as an extra bonus.  The proper mind set is "self as art",
then self-promotion, then through tireless work and dedication you might
uncover some elemental truth and make someone care about it.  

Chris Saganich

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Kit
McChesney
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:00 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers

Remember, art and money do not necessarily have any relationship with
one another. Just because something sells is irrelevant (though very
nice for the seller). Remember all those artists who never sold a thing
and whose work was later discovered to be revolutionary in terms of how
it expanded our vision of the world, whatever the medium (painting,
photographs, music, dance, whatever the medium). 

People who sell well are often very good marketers. That's an art in and
of itself. Might ought to be considered an integral part of the art of
the work itself. Self-promotion is an essential skill, no matter how bad
your work is. ;-)

Kit



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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Joseph
Codispoti
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:15 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers

Kyle,

As you know, art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. As a
left-brained photographer I loath so called "art photography" that to me
seems more like excuses for failed photographs. Even the cover you like
("http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/" ) does nothing for me. Maybe it
would if it adorned the cover of a chiropractic magazine. Even your
"Fallen" series do nothing for me but then it is only my perception.
Others may find value in them and that in itself has value.

Many years ago a British artist laid a sheet of plywood in the center of
a public square, threw a few buckets of paint on it and then drove over
it with his MG to leave tire imprints all over it. I consider that a
stunt more than art but, then, it is hard to argue when he sold it for
$12,000 on the spot.

Joe



From: "Kyle Cassidy" <KCassidy@asc.upenn.edu>

> Well ... I'm nothing if not an art photographer (lord knows I'm not 
> any _other_ kind of photographer), and I disagree with these sweeping 
> generalizations of art photography. Certianly there's a lot of crap 
> out there. Recently I saw some large cibacrhomes of single colors (why

> paint rothcoe when you can photograph it), and I think cindy sherman's

> doll
photos
> are beyond garbage, but in art galleries you find sally mann and anna 
> gaskill and any other number of very talented people. I like the photo

> on the cover of this months art in america 
> "http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/" and I think Erwin Wurm is 
> funny.
Now.
> What "art photography" might be interpreted as in your local art 
> gallery, might vary. In some places, thomas kinkade gets his stuff 
> hung on walls.
Go
> figure that one out and explain it to me.




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