Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/09/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris - I don't agree with you but I do like having you around. That's what hopefully the LUG should be - a place to argue but still respect each other in the morning :) I myself - still on a horrible diet- just had my bowl of oatmeal which will have to suffice till the weekend when I'm allowed one meal to go off the diet. ernie nitka On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 06:40 PM, Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics > Subject: RE: [Leica] Mein Kampf or Yours, baby > > I'm going out to get an extreme whats-a-ma-chicken sandwich, all this > fascist talk makes me hungry. I did manage to develop a couple rolls > between rants and raves. Till tomorrow folks. > > Chris Saganich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:58 PM > To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us' > Subject: RE: [Leica] Mein Kampf - are you that naive? > > I suggest you read Harold Lasswell's 1927 book, "Propaganda techniques > in World War I", before you call me naïve. He was after all a highly > respected Democrat. > > Chris Saganich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim@hemenway.com [mailto:Jim@hemenway.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:08 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: [Leica] Mein Kampf - are you that naive? > > Notwithstanding your statement "don't fool yourself in thinking we are > any different or more righteous in our actions or potential actions in > this world. There is plenty of blood on our hands and we are not as > democratic as we believe.".... how can you believe anything that you > may have read in Mein Kampf? It's about as believeable as the writings > of the Raelians. > > Jim - http://www.hemenway.com > > > > Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics wrote: > >> Hitler's success in swaying the public mind, the techniques he used, >> were developed in the US for WWI. In Mein Kampf, he described the >> overall success of the American Propaganda system and how it led to >> the German defeat. While fascist Hitler was creating a totalitarian >> propaganda system for Germany, democrat Harold Laswell was creating >> it's democratic brother in the US. >> Why is totalitarian propaganda universality condemned in the West as >> the loss of personal and democratic freedom, while the management of >> public opinion in democracy is considered good business? >> Hitler came to power in a democracy, and only within a democracy >> could he have harnessed the power of propaganda for such an >> irrational end. In other words, the Soviets who have no democratic >> history, couldn't manage their public mind. The system is powerful >> and not to be underrated. As we have today, propaganda is a >> mainstream industry known as public relations and advertising. The >> name has changed but the techniques have been refined and improved. >> If you wish to condemn Frau Riefenstahl for her crude and obvious >> propaganda film making, fine, but don't fool yourself in thinking we >> are any different or more righteous in our actions or potential >> actions in this world. There is plenty of blood on our hands and we >> are not as democratic as we believe. >> >> Chris Saganich >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bdcolen@earthlink.net [mailto:bdcolen@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:55 AM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101 >> >> No, Chris, she was a Nazi propagandist who knew precisely what she was >> doing, and who's film, which you view as a simply documentary, has >> been >> oft credited with helping Hitler win broad support in Germany and >> beyond. >> >> We all make choices in this life, and we are ultimately judged by >> those >> choices. >> >> B. D. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of >> Saganich, >> Christopher/Medical Physics >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:44 AM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101 >> >> >> BD, >> >> How is that? Was she GW Bush in disguise? >> >> Chris Saganich >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bdcolen@earthlink.net [mailto:bdcolen@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:01 AM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101 >> >> The world is a better place - for her having left it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Dan C >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:33 AM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101 >> >> >> (CNN) -- Photographer and filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl, best known for >> the >> Nazi propaganda films Triumph of the Will and Olympia, has died at the >> age of 101. >> >> Dan C. >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see >> http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >> >> >> >> >> ===================================================================== >> >> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it >> may >> be >> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >> applicable law. 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