RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101

["bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Hello, Art? I've made it quite clear what I think of FRAU Riefenstahl.
My point in responding to Chris, who appears to be a Riefenstahl
fan/apologist and who said that she said was sorry for what she did, was
that sorry or not - and I don't believe the apology, was that she made
her choices. And they were choices. And having made them, she must be
judged by them. I look at them and say that at worst she was a Nazi, at
best she was a craven opportunist who helped the Nazis - and I fail to
see the difference.

Someone made the point to me in an off-list post that a number of
prominent artists made the choice to leave Nazi Germany. I am reminded
that when in Berlin about five years ago a gallery with multiple windows
on the street had a stunning installation that consisted of a number of
t.v. monitors mounted side-by-side, across the screens of which scrolled
seemingly endless lists of names. My first thought was that I was seeing
names of people who died in the Holocaust. But then I realized that what
the installation was about, and what the names represented, were all the
artists - visual artists, writers, musicians, etc. - who left Germany
rather than stay under Hitler. The list was seemingly endless.

All one really need say about Leni Riefenstahl - and I will say no more
- - is that her name was not on that list.

B. D.

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Arthur G NSSC
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		B.D. wrote about Riefenstahl that "she...knew precisely
what she was doing, and...We all make choices...and are ultimately
judged by those choices."

		People are constantly doing all sorts of things, but to
comment on their behaviors by saying that people "make choices" is to
say nothing at all.  Science tells us that we live in a world of cause
and effect, and the operative question about any behavior is, "What
caused it?" Not an easy question to answer, to say the least, but if
nothing else, we should understand that to answer the question of "What
caused the behavior?" is also to answer the question of "What caused the
choice?"  The choice does not cause the behavior; rather the cause of
the choice and the cause of the behavior are the same.

		Art Peterson
		Alexandria, Virginia


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	bdcolen [mailto:bdcolen@earthlink.net]
		Sent:	Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:55 AM
		To:	leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
		Subject:	RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at
age
101

		No, Chris, she was a Nazi propagandist who knew
precisely what she was doing, and who's film, which you view as a simply
documentary, has been oft credited with helping Hitler win broad support
in Germany and beyond.

		We all make choices in this life, and we are ultimately
judged by those choices.

		B. D.


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		From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
		[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On
Behalf
Of Saganich,
		Christopher/Medical Physics
		Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:44 AM
		To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
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101

		BD,

		How is that?  Was she GW Bush in disguise?

		Chris Saganich


		-----Original Message-----
		From: bdcolen@earthlink.net
[mailto:bdcolen@earthlink.net] 
		Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:01 AM
		To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
		Subject: RE: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age
101

		The world is a better place - for her having left it.


		-----Original Message-----
		From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
		[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On
Behalf
Of Dan C
		Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:33 AM
		To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
		Subject: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl has died at age 101

		(CNN) -- Photographer and filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl,
best known for the Nazi propaganda films Triumph of the Will and
Olympia, has died at the age of 101. 

		Dan C.



		 
		
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