Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/07/06

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Piezotone & bwguys
From: Tim Atherton <tim@KairosPhoto.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:53:43 -0600

why not go with the ultrachrome B&W inks from MIS....?

They look like the cat's meow right now  :-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Phong
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:55 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Piezotone & bwguys
> 
> 
> BenMarks, Will, Gilbert, Adam and others,
> 
> Thank you for your replies.  I also spent some time yesterday
> checking out the Piezography newsgroup on yahoo, and am quite 
> underwhelmed.  
> 
> Gilbert's suggestion to use a 1280 instead of a
> 3000 is a good one; I would have gone for a 3000 if the 
> technology is more stable, as I believe the 3000 is a more 
> solid printer.  The 1280 would serve my purpose for now,
> and at least allow me to try Piezography at a lower cost.
> 
> I am unsure of what to do, and will probably wait for a while
> until things get more settled.   I do have a portrait project
> this summer that I want to print with Piezography.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Phong
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of
> > BenMarks@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:59 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: [Leica] Re: Piezotone & bwguys
> > 
> > 
> > Phong:
> > 
> > I am no expert on this but here is what I know: The Piezotone 
> > inks are Cone's "new and improved" inkset.  You can choose a 
> > selenium hue or a neutral hue etc.  Some folks who started out 
> > with the PiezophotographyBW inks and then switched to Piezotone 
> > had trouble with print heads clogging (and subsequent banding) 
> > because of the way that the two inksets reacted in a given 
> > printer's ink feed lines.  Cone sells a set of carts filled with 
> > cleaning fluid to flush the lines of a printer when switching 
> > between the older inkset and the newer.
> > 
> > As for why they continue to refer to the discontinued process, 
> > your guess is as good as mine.  Maybe they are slow to update the 
> > site, or maybe as far as the software end of things goes 
> > (profiles and workarounds for the Epson drivers) it doesn't 
> > matter which inks you use. This is rank speculation as I am out 
> > of my league here.  I happen to like the old inks, had been happy 
> > with my results and stocked up on the ink when it was deeply 
> > discounted by inkjetmall.  Thus I have not had any problems 
> > associated with switching over (it ain't broke and I am trying 
> > not to fix it, if you know what I mean).
> > 
> > Some users also were unhappy with the way that the old 
> > PiezophotographyBW inks "set" on certain papers.  On the paper I 
> > use, prints warm over the first day or two and stabalize at a 
> > nice warm tone with good blacks (looks similar to platinum to my 
> > eye).  Once the prints go through this process, my experience has 
> > been that the prints are very stable.  I have prints hanging in 
> > my home, unmatted, behind glass which are going on two years old 
> > and which look great.  Not so for the prints made with Epson's 
> > black ink.  Fading was noticable after several months and some 
> > prints have degraded so much that they are just a waste of 
> > storage space.  Note that Epson's inks are (as I beleive Tina 
> > mentioned) dye-based rather than pigment based.
> > 
> > >I am trying to make sense of the situation with Piezography
> > >now that the original company is split into inkjetmall.com
> > >and bwguys.com, neither of whose website is particularly well
> > >designed to provide information about their product offerings.
> > 
> > >Inkjetmall claims that the new PiezoTone inks is not compatible
> > >with the discontinued PiezographyBW inks, and yet contiune to
> > >refer to PiezographyBW throuhgout their website.
> > 
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