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Subject: Re: [Leica] Kodak stock is down(way down!) this morning.
From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:26:39 -0600
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Simon,

It's pretty amazing.  I've been using a Sinarback 44 for about a year 
and can attest to it.  Just pulled up a raw 382 mb image with their 
captureshop program and it does look like more than 11 stops, however, I 
have been using the camera with static subjects in 16-exposure mode for 
the maximum resolution and color depth.

As you have probably seen with Sinar's other equipment, their literature 
is pretty straightforward - what it says is what the equipment does.  It 
doesn't say that multiple shots are a requirement for 11 stops, I think 
that would take it well over 11.

The Sinar rep stopped by a few weeks ago and helped with some problems, 
solved with software, and quietly pitched their newest, the Sinarback 54 
which has upgraded anti-blooming and improved dyes on the sensor.  Sinar 
paid Kodak for the R&D and got exclusive rights on the chip for a year.

Sinar's Captureshop software is really well thought through.

It looks like the firewire backs, 43 and 54, can be used with a 
hand-held camera, Sinar M, which will accept Leica lenses.

One does need a calibrated monitor, plenty of RAM, a lot of disk space, 
and a good data backup strategy to deal with these things.  Multiplying
by 382mb gives some interesting requirements.

John

animal wrote:
> Now that prices are falling i,m getting an upgraded Sinar.
> In one of their latest brochures they were comparing cooled sensors versus
> film.They stated that the latest of their backs has a contrast range of 11
> stops.Is that true?
> simon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Kodak stock is down(way down!) this morning.
> 
> 
> 
>>Good God, Steve, is there something you haven't told us about your
>>health? :-)
>>
>>I'd be interested in knowing how many professionals - facts please, as
>>Austin might ask - have made a real switch from film to digital, as
>>opposed to buying a p&s and not liking it - and have then switched back
>>to film. And then I wonder what proportion of what fraction of one
>>percent they are of all those who have switched to digital.
>>
>>I am not saying, Steve, that you or anyone else who doesn't want to
>>should make the switch- I'm still primarily shooting film myself. But I
>>think it's quite unrealistic to refer to digital as "all the talk," as
>>though digital was the photographic equivalent of the 8-track fad. Still
>>photography is going digital, and it is going digital with astounding
>>speed. Sure, there will undoubtedly be film around as long as you or I
>>are alive - but it will be a curiosity, not the photographic standard.
>>And I'd be willing to bet that it will not be the photographic standard
>>five short years from now.
>>
>>B. D.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Steve
>>LeHuray
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:06 PM
>>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Kodak stock is down(way down!) this morning.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I don't know if film is "outta here," but I find it both fascinating
>>>and telling that Kodak is advertising a disposable film camera on t.v.
>>
>>>in a commercial telling people that they can use it to get "digital
>>>pictures." And ads for the camera stress that it produces high quality
>>
>>>digital images.
>>>
>>>B. D.
>>>
>>
>>...I seriously doubt that film is "outta here." Kodak has always had a
>>history of joining in with new technologies. Certainly they are deeply
>>committed to film as it is their core business but they are smart to
>>explore digital. I remember 20+ years ago all the howls from the motion
>>picture film folks as Kodak started to sell VHS video tape (they only
>>sold somebody else's tape under the Kodak logo). While digital is all
>>the talk it is interesting to see (on the various lists I subscribe to)
>>the number of people who have switched over to digital, and then see
>>many of them announce they are moving back to film. Someday it will be a
>>completely digital world, but not in my lifetime.
>>
>>sl
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