Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/03/16

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Subject: RE: [Leica] CL
From: "Sam Krneta" <skrneta@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:47:11 -0600

BD,

If I sell all my equipment, I might be able to get a Canon 1ds body.
Unfortunately, none of my friends shoot Canon so I'd have no lenses to
borrow. I hope that in 5 years the prices for digital SLR's will have
stabilized. $1800 for a top end body is reasonable $7500 is robbery. 

Sam 

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of bdcolen
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:33 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] CL

Wells, Sam, to be perfectly honest, I don't call putting out a collector
re-issue of one camera and lens fo 4K "being in the rangefinder biz."

And I don't know what you think my financial picture is - but I can tell
you it isn't pretty. And the equipment I have, I have in my photo tool
box and use for work - I didn't purchase any of my current equipment out
of expendable income for a hobby. I wish I could - because if I could,
I'd have a good deal of serious digital equipment. ;-)

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Sam Krneta
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:23 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] CL


BD,

Nikon is still in the rangefinder biz. I think it's called an S3, goes
for over 4K. OUCH. It's pretty. If only I had your money. :-)

Sam 

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of bdcolen
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:37 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] CL

I use M6s and Nikon F100s - and some digital equipment. If I was adding
another M body today, I would definitely get an R2. In fact, I have long
toyed with the idea of getting the Bessa L, which has no built in
viewfinder - just a rangefinder - on which to permanently mount my 21.

BTW, the only reason I use Ms is that, in terms of long-lived, totally
dependable, rangefinder cameras, there is no alternative today. I wish
that Nikon and Canon were still in the rangefinder business, but
unfortunately, they're not.

Oh, at one point many years ago, my Leica kit consisted of a pair of
CLs. ;-)

If you want an M mount body that will allow you to not risk the M, I
would definitely suggest the R2 over the CL - It will give you a new toy
that is really new, and will give you more features and flexibility than
the CL.



B. D.

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:59 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] CL


B.D.

Well, I didn't think you were that rude, really.
The main reason isn't that I need to own two Leicas just to feel like a 
real photographer. It's more that I don't feel comfortable to travel
around some places with the M6. I don't want to loose it, I kind of have
bad 
experience from travelling with expensive equipment.
And getting a body that use M lenses would suit me fine.
Then, on the other hand, I can feel that I sometimes need some new
"toys" to get the inspiration that sometimes lack. It's not that it must
be named Leica, but of course it helps. And, by the way, what do you
use?

Paul




- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] CL


> 
> 
> Paul wrote:
> 
> > Thank you all for your opinions. I am going to have a closer look at

> > the R2. But I haven't put the CL out of the game. Sometimes it's
just 
> > about getting another camera to refill the inspiration. Maybe some
of 
> > you know what I mean.
> >
> > Paul
> 
> I'm going to be rude here, Paul - is it about getting another camera
> to inspire your photography, choosing the best tool available for the 
> money you have? Or is about being "inspired" by the fact that you can 
> think, "I own two LEICAS, and that means I'm a serious photographer?"
> 
> I'm not suggesting that you should simply put the CL out of the game -

> because it may be that, for your particular purposes, a miniature
> body, shorter - harder to accurately focus - rangefinder base, meter 
> on a swing-down stalk, all in a 25-30 (?) year-old Japanese body with 
> Leica's name on it, is the tool you need. On the other hand, you may 
> find that a full-size, nicely balanced, longer-rangefinder base NEW - 
> with warranty
> - Japanese body with a more modern meter design and higher speed flash
> sync is the right tool for you.
> 
> To each his own... :-)
> 
> B. D.
> 
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