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Subject: Re: [Leica] The new MP is out for auction
From: Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:41:19 -0800 (PST)

And that's one of the reasons why used Leica dealers
are feeling the pinch. 

- --- Patrick Jelliffe <pbjbike@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In the days before ebay, it was very difficult for a
> private individual to get a fair market price for
> used
> gear.  A good shop might offer you 60% of what they
> would sell your gear for.  Dealers advertising in
> Shutterbug were a little better, but not much. In
> '95,
> at a particularly low financial point, I  attempted
> to
> sell a Mint M3 in New York.  B&H offered me $450. 
> Flyers posted at all the decent pro labs in
> Manhattan
> brought zero results.  Ended up shipping it to Jim
> Kuehl, who gave me $700.  It probably would have
> fetched a 1,200 or more from a collector somewhere. 
> Ebay has brought a level playing field to buying and
> selling.  Is that so wrong?
> 
> Patrick
> 
>  
> --- Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> > "Beddoe, Neil" wrote:
> > > 
> > > I find eBay an excellent alternative to hiring
> > gear.  Buy something, use it
> > > for a few months and then sell it for what you
> > paid for it.
> > > 
> > > Neil
> > > 
> > 
> > I find the idea contemptuous.
> > I think people should buy a camera and take
> pictures
> > with it. Die with
> > it. That's the full cycle of the thing.
> > 
> > It's not a baseball card.
> > 
> > Pass it on to your grandchildren. I think that's
> > what a tool Like a
> > Leica M camera is all about.
> > It stays in your family for a few generations.
> > 
> > I've got a nephew I've never met just signed up
> for
> > photography courses
> > at Columbia University in New York City.
> > I'm leaving him quite a few zero's worth of
> cameras
> > in my will.
> > The kids barely heard of me. For all I know
> they've
> > kept me a secret. I
> > hope he gives the Leicas a fair shot before he
> sells
> > them to buy more Nikons...
> > or a Chevy Bronco.
> > 
> > Buy a camera, marry it. Get to know all it's
> > nuances.
> > These people who trade systems every year - ASK TO
> > SEE THEIR PRINTS!
> > Half the time they won't have any at all the other
> > half it will be a
> > stupid short stack of un-edited 4x6 machine
> prints.
> > 
> > The sad fact i feel that most people don't realize
> > is that once people buy a camera; there's nothing
> > left to do but to take
> > pictures with it.
> >  The game is over. It's a tool. You bought it you
> > use it.
> > It's a shame when the thrill comes from the buying
> > and selling and not
> > the using.
> > 
> > This buying and selling; buying and selling is not
> > photography.
> > 
> > And as this list is called the Leica USER group.
> Not
> > Leica BUYER AND
> > SELLER Group, it's not what we are all about.
> > 
> > But if we run out of money we just SELL SOMETHING
> ON
> > EBAY (almost as
> > much fun as buying) and that frees up more loot to
> > then BUY SOMETHING ON
> > EBAY. So we can keep it for a month and a half.
> > 
> > 
> > We had "Guilt" in a tread heading even though it
> was
> > mostly talking
> > about something else.
> > 
> > The "Guilt" of buying an expensive camera like a
> > Leica and especially
> > Leica because it's low tech approach would
> > apparently not justify the expense.
> > 
> > The me the "Guilt" comes from not using the
> camera.
> > Months later having
> > few prints to show for it or slides. I see guilt
> in
> > that.
> > 
> > I cant see any "Guilt" coming from a camera one
> > carries around every day
> > -- at any price.
> > 
> > But i do see "Guilt" from complaining about it to
> > give an excuse to
> > trade it in for a new toy a short time later.
> > 
> > "I think the Canon lenses are better, I'm going
> > Canon"
> > 
> > Me I don't enjoy buying stuff. Makes me very
> > nervous. I sweat blood when
> > ever i have to spend more than a grand on
> something.
> > Pink stuff rolls
> > down my forehead.  And I try to buy stuff as close
> > to home as possible
> > and from people (camera stores) which already know
> > me. ...a repeat
> > customer. That way if it DOES screw up I come back
> > there and slap it
> > down on the counter. And expect another one which
> > works on the spot.
> > 
> > Don't suck us into auction threads folks!  
> > Money money money. Greed, Avarice, dilettantism.
> > 
> > We need to get back to owning what is ours. Taking
> > care of it properly.
> > And see what it really can do for us.
> > 
> > As the Ebay mentality takes over more and more our
> > overall concept of
> > ownership completely fades. We never own anything.
> > We are just playing
> > auction games with it. Have we enjoyed using it as
> > much as we've enjoyed
> > buying and selling it?
> > But more importantly. Have we given the thing a
> fair
> > shot? I think the
> > people who designed and built it, marketed it and
> > sold it deserve at
> > least that.
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Rabiner
> > Portland, Oregon USA
> > http://www.rabinergroup.com
> > Email: mark@rabinergroup.com
> > Fax: 503-221-0308
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