Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/28
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Kit,
Of course they are. The only common denominator, unfortunately, when you consider any endeavour, is money. It always has a say (usually a big one). Medical treatment, education, art, whether you go trial or not (guilty/liable or not) and profitable or not. Seems like we've lost sight of many things these days. I suppose things are just dealt with differently. I can't believe that these issues are new. You know?
Frank
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From: Kit McChesney | acmefoto <kitmc@acmefoto.com>
Sent: 02/28/03 10:32 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
>
> Frank--
It just seems that medicine, like education, and so many other areas, are
being driven by purely business concerns these days. It's just
unfathomable
how the medical profession could be driven to a place where "taking care"
takes a back seat to whatever else is getting in its way. And with the
heart/lung error, one would think that at least one person in that chain
of
command would have noticed that something was wrong and said, "Wait!"
It is very sad, any medical mistake. Unfortunately, given the fact that
one
is dealing with life, which is very fragile, those mistakes are often
impossible to correct.
Kit
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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Frank
Farmer
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:53 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
Kit,
Of course, leaving any instrument (more often sponges than hemostats or
the
like) in a patient is prima facie evidence of mal-practice. There is
supposed to be a routine of counting everything from sponges to shoe laces
several times in the operating room before anyone is closed. Of course,
in
practice, situations don't always allow such. But the net result is that
if
you leave something in someone and sew them back up - you will get sued
and
you will lose. You insurance company will likely settle and will will go
into the national practitioners' databank. The heart/lung mixup? That
was
simply not being thorough. That is bad too.
Frank
- -------Original Message-------
From: Kit McChesney | acmefoto <kitmc@acmefoto.com>
Sent: 02/27/03 10:59 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
>
> Edward--
There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left
instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the
incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure
to
perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also thinking
of
the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain
permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork
sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to work
with,
really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to
make
it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the
human
side of the subject, you may have some luck.
You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh,
I'd
love to follow you around and document what you do!
Kit
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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Edward
Caliguri
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
Thanks Buzz, Tina-
With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well
(animals!)
- - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR - human or otherwise
- -
is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and
photograph.
I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class
surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left his
Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM
transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when
someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I think
that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere
(children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents of
'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope!
Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales.
Ed
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500
> From: "Buzz Hausner" <buzz.hausner@verizon.net>
> Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs
> Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner>
> References:
>
> Well...perhaps and perhaps not. Ted and Sandy are photographing a book
> on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all
> venues where medicine is practiced. We'll have to wait for a report
> from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal
> Intensive Care Unit). I am certain they will be photographing in the OR
> because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow.
>
> Hospital administrators seem reluctant...stupidly...to permit
> documentary photography in intensive care units. This may be from
> liability jitters, but who knows.
>
> Buzz Hausner
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