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Subject: RE: [Leica] Why fashion photography sucks
From: "bdcolen" <>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:37:13 -0500

Ah, welcome to the GSL - Grammar and Spelling List... ;-)

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[] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Why fashion photography sucks


Do all those photographers listed spell their names with lower case

I thought that ee cummings was the only person worthy of that.

Jerry wrote:

> In a message dated 1/5/03 12:17:56 PM, writes:
> << Amen! To say nothing of the fact that much of the most successful 
> and popular fashion photography serves up the degrading, the 
> 'degenerate,' the pathetic and the 'perverse' as that to which we 
> should all aspire - remember 'heroin chic?' Sexually provocative poses

> by underage models, or those who look under age? Certainly there's 
> allot of creative fashion photography - and I assume that Martin is 
> referring to studio type fashion work, Ted, not shooting runway 
> models. But the question is how that creativity is being used. It's a 
> lonnnnnng way from early Avedon to the Calvin Klein underwear ads.
> B. D. >>
> I'm running through my mind who I think are some of the most 
> successful current fashion photographers and the images they serve up.

> The names that come to mind are steven meisel, pablo roversi, 
> demarchalier, michel comte, david lachapelle, bruce weber, mario 
> testino, ellen von unwerth, bettina rheims, walter chin, sarah moon, 
> avedon, ritts (ok so he's not current anymore)....I'm sure there are 
> many others...but of those listed I'm having a hard time thinking of 
> their work as serving up "the degrading, the 'degenerate,' the 
> pathetic and the 'perverse' ."
> Creativity is often stunted and altered in the face of commercial 
> (particularly advertising) issues....this isn't just the case in 
> fashion photography.  It seems to be the nature of the beast where as 
> an artist attempting to survive off your art, you must be reasonably
attuned to the
> hand (or in this case client) who is feeding you.   But it seems to me
> condemning all (or even "much of")fashion photography because of 
> heroin chic or underware ads is kinda like condeming all of hip hop 
> because of gangsta rap.
> Kim
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