Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/11/29

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Bicycle metaphors
From: "bdcolen" <>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:00:10 -0500

Let me make sure I understand this...It is entirely inappropriate to
post digital images to this list because it is the LyKa list...but it IS
entirely appropriate to have drawn out discussions of bicycle


B. D.

Leica Image = A photograph produced using a camera/lens combination
manufactured by Leica, taken by someone suffering from the delusion that
that camera/lens combination is the only equipment configuration to
produce images worthy of attention or discussion; and also suffering
from the additional delusion that using such an equipment configuration
makes said person an outstanding photographer.

- -----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Stuart
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Bicycle metaphors

As a member of the HUG where Austin is also a frequent poster, I must
point out in Austin's defence that he has been a designer of digital
equipment for over 250 years, and that like religion, there is nothing
that cannot be clarified by analogy with digital technology : )

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Collier" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: [Leica] Bicycle metaphors

> Austin,
> I have no problems with your conclusions about Leica M cameras; 
> however, your knowledge of bicycle frames can only be described as 
> limited. The materials use in frame construction cannot only be chosen

> on the basis of lightweight. The old Teledynes (titanium) and Kirks 
> (cast magnesium) certainly proved that! It is only in the last year or

> so that the use of aluminium and carbon fiber has matured to point 
> where they can give ride qualities approaching that of a well designed

> steel bike. Lightweight is very nice but not if it punishes the rider 
> over every road irregularity.
> As to craftsmanship, there is no contest. Nothing can touch a steel 
> bike with handmade lugs.
> John Collier
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