Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/10/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking?
From: "Rafael Alday" <rafaelalday@yahoo.es>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:03:21 +0100
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I APOLOGIZE you Mark.
I misunderstood your letter (my english is not very good). I had read your
previous letter
http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/v23/msg10110.html
talking about people, non-pro, sending family pictures and that the words
child, Kids and family, son, etc should be dissapeare.
That was the reason why I sent the picture of my son (to enhance the
discussion). I know that is not a perfect portrait but I think it is not a
very bad one.
Then I misundertood your words:
"To me THAT shot is not only NOT art. It DOESN'T WANT to be art. It's a
 family snapshot. A 4x6 taken out of a pile of 4x6's of ones family. I
 don't know those kids. I don't love them. I'm not in their family. Why
 am i looking at that picture?"
PLEASE EXCUSE ME!
I have learn a lot from your knowledge in other forums like Hasseblad but as
Dante said me:
"the red hot blooded temperament of a Spanish matador" has made I was wrong.
Excuses again,
Rafael

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark@markrabiner.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking?


> Rafael Alday wrote:
> >
> > OH! Perdon we are talking about ART.
> > Then please look at this Mark Rabiner's picture
> > PURE ART!
> > http://www.markrabiner.com/ScooterPages/TomCramer.html
> > Oh! yes very good Hasselblad but nothing more.
> > Prof. Rabiner excuse me for damaging your royal eyes.
> > Rafael
> >
>
> Coincidentally this is about the only photograph I've ever sold to a
> serious print collector in my entire life!
> I got $250 for it about 8 years ago for a 16x20 fiber archival of it.
> Part of the reason it sold though is that this collector collects Tom's
> the photosubjects paintings and sculptures.
> He wanted his signature on it as well as my own. That's a little
different!
>
> I cant tell if you're having fun with me or if you really don't like the
> shot but I've looked at a 16x20 shot of it on my wall for most of 20
> years and not once have i seen it and winced. I guess I keep liking it
> more. That's a lot to say most of my stuff I learn to hate or just get
> sick and tired of. It has many things going for it that i wished more of
> my shots had. Compositionally speaking for instance I've found it hard
> to beat. The roof of the garage in the background reflected in the
> models stance on the scooter which incidentally he painted himself as
> well as the Volkswagon.
> I'm afraid that as far as MY work goes this is as close as I ever get to
> a "perfect picture." In my own view. Your milage may vary. One of my few
> "Non Mod" scooter people. I still run into Tom by the way he's still in
> the neighborhood.
> Tom had a featured roll in "My Private Idaho" shot here in Portland
> eleven years ago.
>
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.markrabiner.com
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