Re: [Leica] I See Dead People & PAW Ketchup

["Ted Bayer" <tedbayer@harbornet.com>]

When I first read the subject line in the e-mail, "I See Dead People" I
wondered what this photo was about.  Then, when I clicked on the link
and I saw the picture beginning to appear on my monitor (I have a slow
connection and it loads from the top down, slowly) and saw what looked
like a thrift shop developing, I thought, "Geez - what a great title."
There's usually a lot of old clothing in those shops which belonged to
people who have died.  But when I saw the message on the front of the
shirt the whole thing fell apart for me.  The concept I had no longer
existed, and it all went flat.

Ted in Olalla

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] I See Dead People & PAW Ketchup


> Hi, Phong...As I see it the problem is that in order to appreciate
this
> particular photo of Tom's, you probably have to equate shopping with
death.
> If you don't, it misses.
>
> Carl's photo comes allot closer to making effective use of a sign or
> message. As you note, the city is devoid of people. I see it more in
terms
> of the obviously dying city - looking at the sign missing letters,
> etc....But to each his own....I think Carl's shot might have worked
better
> had it been directly across the street from the sign, so that we could
see
> more of the rundown store fronts. But, again, that's a matter of
> taste....which is, of course what all of this is about.:-)
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Phong
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:24 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] I See Dead People & PAW Ketchup
>
>
> > classic example ... where the
> > photographer brings certain opinions and judgments about the
subject-
> > specifically about the people in the photo and the relationship of
their
> > mind-sets to the T-shirt - and therefore thinks that everyone who
sees
> this
> > still image will know what the photographer was thinking.
>
> B.D.,
>
> If Tom's message is "shopping = dead", (whatever dead and alive
> mean to Tom), there is enough of elements in the photo to conjure the
> message.
>
> In the same way, I cannot help but make the connection between
>  the billboard message  "The Future is Now in Session" in Carl Pultz's
> http://home.earthlink.net/~cpultz/PAW/PAW12.htm and  the emptiness
> of the cityscape devoid of people depicted in the photo.
>
> Not that I think Tom's photo "works" for me.
>
> - Phong
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of B. D.
Colen
> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:42 AM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] I See Dead People & PAW Ketchup
> >
> >
> >
> > Having read your explanation, Tom, here's what I see as the problem:
> >
> > I think that what you have here is a classic example of a photo
where the
> > photographer brings certain opinions and judgments about the
subject-
> > specifically about the people in the photo and the relationship of
their
> > mind-sets to the T-shirt - and therefore thinks that everyone who
sees
> this
> > still image will know what the photographer was thinking.
> >
> > I look at this and I see a group of people shopping - somewhere, I
have no
> > idea where - with a T-shirt saying
> > "I see dead people" hanging over them. As the people in the photo
are
> > clearly not dead, and don't have a dead look about them, I don't
think
> this
> > works.
> >
> > However - if this were a photo of a group of people in a subway car,
lined
> > up on a bench, in which one person was wearing this t-shirt and
everyone
> in
> > the photo had blank, dead expressions on their faces, it definitely
would
> > work - at least for me.
> >
> > Obviously, this is all a matter of opinion.:-)
> > B. D.
> >
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