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Subject: Re: [Leica] re: rob appleby photos
From: "Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:26:06 +0200
References: <MBBBJHIBKCKEAEOKKBPOKECDEEAA.bdcolen@earthlink.net>

My point exactly... well, more or less. Although it would be interesting to
understand why exactly this issue in particular arouses such passions.
What's the dynamics here. Lugforum time.
R.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] re: rob appleby photos


> As a person who is hardly known for spreading oil on troubled waters
around
> here, in fact, as a person who is known for jamming bananas into the
exhaust
> of the LUGmobile, might I humbly suggest that discussion of the
> Israeli-Palestinian conflict will have an effect on the LUG similar to
that
> of Wafkoskys' raising the "A" issue. (I believe Brian has blocked the "a"
> word.)
>
> How about we discuss photographing the conflict, rather than get into the
> politics of the conflict?
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Rob Appleby
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:20 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] re: rob appleby photos
>
>
> Daniel, we would be getting into dangerous territory here, but this is a
> campaign to drive Palestinians off their land, not a matter of killing off
> weeds. It certainly is a poison - the crops in the sprayed areas are dead.
>
> I was filming this situation with my Israeli camerawoman, Natasha, when we
> came across an experimental irrigation system constructed by Hajj'Issa
using
> drip pipes and rainwater harvesting. Her eyes lit up and she said - this
is
> Israeli technology! I pointed out that Israeli irrigation systems not only
> use water taken from the main west bank aquifers (to which palestinians
are
> denied autonomous access) and the jordan, but are funded by US taxpayers.
> Not a welcome observation (our relationship was prickly at times, but
> fruitful despite our disagreements. It was certainly a difficult
experience
> for her.)
>
> The semantics of the territories and Israel are quite different.
>
> I'm happy to pursue it, but maybe the infamous lugforum is a better...
> forum.
>
> R.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Ridings" <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] re: rob appleby photos
>
>
> > > contaminate the wells. The whole thing is a bit of a grey area, I was
> unable
> > > to get any solid info about it. I wouldn't want it to seem I was
> accusing
> > > Israel of waging chemical warfare against these people, beyond
> destroying
> > > their crops.
> >
> > Well, I worked in Israel for about a year in the late seventies. It may
> > very well be some kind of poison ... but the same kind the Israelis use
on
> > their own crops and poison their own wells. When people are getting
> > bombed, rocketed and what-have-you ... environmental considerations are
> > not high priorities for oneself or for others. It was always a thought
> > provoking experience to hear that "smoking is dangerous" ... those
> > warnings just didn't hit the spot in the middle east.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>
> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] re: rob appleby photos
> > >
> > >
> > > > in an area marked by the Hebron
> > > > Civil Administration as "Nature Reserve" and (here's the logic of
it!)
> > > > sprayed with herbicides if the farmers plant it. Some of the latter
> area
> > > > lies very close to the villages themselves, but as far as I know the
> > > > villages have not been sprayed with any chemicals (hard to
ascertain).
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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