Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/07/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I'll try not to be quite so blunt, but it also seemed like a snapshot to me. When Firkin praised it, it caught me a bit off guard, as I've had images rejected from FOM2 based on their not have been taken with a Leica. If the intoxicated guy *is* FOM2-quality material because it *was* taken with a Leica, then I doubt that I will ever submit another image to FOM2, as I am clueless. Or perhaps I should submit *everything* I have *ever* taken with a Leica. Jeffery Smith At 08:18 AM 7/2/02, you wrote: >Okay - Time to be blunt.:-0 (As we all know, we post photos asking for >honest comment and criticism)- (Sorry, Rob) > >This is not a "GOOD" photo. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination an >HCB "decisive moment." And it certainly isn't an FOM photo - I, II, or C. It >is an improperly exposed party snap. Period. As Ted pointed out, the light >from the flash is dumped onto the foreground, blowing out the light colored >items and leaving both the woman and the man underexposed. All the photo >tells us is that the man isn't feeling well - one assumes he's drunk - or is >very tired, and the woman is looking at a little flag, or is waving it. So >what? We don't see anything in the photo indicating that it has anything to >do with soccer, the World Cup, the Invasion of the Faulklands, or the >election of Margaret Thatcher. Nothing, in other words, to give it any kind >of context or meaning. If one knew these two people, this would be the kind >of moderately amusing photo one might hand them as a 60 Minute 4x6, >expecting them to titter in embarrassment as they tore it in half. > >B. D. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Mārtiņš >Zelmenis >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:10 AM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: decisisve moment question on PAW ? > > >OH. >I wouldn't call it <a decisive moment>, too, but the picture IS GOOD! And >largely it's the sign that makes it. Most certainly I like it as it is. > >Martin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> >Date: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: decisisve moment question on PAW ? > > >B. D. Colen wrote: > >>> Just wondering: > > What's decisive about the moment? What makes this an outstanding >photograph?<< > > > robmellor showed his:: > >PAW 26 > > > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=850786 > > > >Alastair Firkin @ work responded: > > You caught this one at the decisive moment: looks a good FOM2 shot to >me.<<< > >Hi B.D. >I wondered myself what was so decisive when I saw Alastair's comment. ( no >offence Alistair ) Sure there's a moment of what looks like a some what >sodden human and one smiling waving a flag, accompanied by a very flashed >#15 table sign, which your eye must fight before you get to the people. > >Yes there's the moment of the flag waving woman, but even she doesn't look >like she's really into it and the guy looks like he's close to out of it. >maybe a pint too many. ;-) But it's the sign that's an eye blocker and takes >the picture down. > >What would I have done in this situation? > >Probably been working available light if at all possible in B&W, at 3200 or >higher if there was any chance of decent exposures. And if it were necessary >to use flash I'd have bounced it and still worked at the higher film speeds >to squeeze every possible once of light from the flash bouncing back to the >tables. That would've softened the sign and highlights a little while >lifting the lighting level throughout.. > >Before posting as a PAW I'd have burned down the sign and attended >highlights to at least give the couple a stronger meaning. > >Now for the guys who know how to Photoshop very very well..... (not me) I'd >have removed the sign all together! ;-) I know, I know that's cheating.... >;-) however that kind of manipulation is done every day around the world in >removing slightly annoying things like signs and other tid bits. :-) > >So there you go eh. ;-) > >ted >Ted Grant Photography Limited >www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant > > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html